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Posted by Tiglath (Guest) - Monday, May 30 2005, 12:06:57 (CEST)
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....Dear Ken & Mary,

.....My answers are below.

Dear Mary,

I must admit I am constantly shocked to meet leaders in the Assyrian community and find out that they are not only not Christians and seem to take pride in that but in many ways very anti-Christian. It has totally puzzled me. Now I think I am beginning to understand a little.

......Maybe it's because the Jewish Bible is so anti-Assyrian.

The passage in Psalms 137 is simply a prayer of the Israelites who are held captive in Babylon. I have no idea what is so significant about verse eight and nine as they are simply the comments of the Israelites to those who took them captive.

......Let's not sugar coat these words. They are explicitly stating that OUR God is to be pleased by the dashing of OUR Babylonian childrens' heads against rocks.

.....I find it astounding that your Muslim scholars and expert allowed you to misrepresent the Koran quote refering to the killing of infidels without telling you that infidels was refering to non-Christians and non-Jews. So why is a sexed-up Koran quote so much more significant?

It would be like a person being held in prison who says `I hope you get paid back for putting me in here and I hope someone gets ahold of your kids.`

Not very nice, but easy to understand the anger felt by a whole people who had been taken out of their land to another.

.....I don't blame the Jews for feeling that way. I blame us and our church leaders for preaching this to us in church. No other nation on earth would tolerate a religion in which their very children are to be killed to appease their god.

What is the point they are trying to make from the passage? It is a very, very common phrase throughout the Old Testament - ie. `an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth`.

The difference between us and the moslems is that when Jesus came the Old Testament was rendered completed and because Jesus brought the `New Testament` that change the relationship with God so it was no longer by duty but by love and forgiveness through the Cross, isolated passages through the Old Testament such are changed.

In other words in both the koran and the Old Testament there are many passages that say things that we do not believe today. While moslems continue to say they are applicable today we believe that because of the Cross and what Jesus did they are not.

At the same time the Old Testament is important to us because of the history, the important principles and the long message of forgiveness that God shows from the beginning of time.

To take a bizarre passage out of the Old Testament is very foolish because the New Testament changed the meaning of those. To take a bizarre passage out of the koran is very, very scary because they still believe them literally today - `If you see an infidel cut off his head`, `A woman is worth half of a man`, `You can divorce your wife by saying `I Divorce You` four times`, etc. etc.

It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to realize they are bizarre and not for today. The Bible tells us that the Old Testament was completed by the New Testament so all the isolated and strange for today passages in the Old Testament are changed by what Jesus did.

I hope that makes sense!

I would appreciate if you could let me know what seems to be so interesting in that passage. It is a `run of the mill` normal, ordinary, Old Testament passage rendered `completed` by the New Testament while at the same time being a pretty ordinary response by someone in prison in a foreign country even today.

The Jews were kidnapped from their nation and taken to the Babylon. The Jews were angry at being taken and wanted to go home and hated the people who had taken them. Big deal! Sounds pretty normal to me!

.......It's shocking NOT because our God wants our Babylonian childrens' heads dashed against rocks and NOT because the Jews wrote this at a time when they were upset at us BUT that we still use this verse in our liturgy right up to this very day.

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Ken Crusader Tiglath - Sunday, May 29 2005, 4:34:00 (CEST)
- Re: Ken Crusader pancho - 05/29 04:53
- Re: Ken Crusader Tiglath - 05/30 12:05
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    - Re: Ken Crusader Tiglath - 05/30 12:07
      - Re: Ken Crusader Tiglath - 05/30 12:08
        Re: Ken Crusader pancho - 05/30 14:36
        Re: Ken Crusader Tiglath - 05/30 16:11
        Re: Ken Crusader pancho - 05/30 23:09
        Re: Ken Crusader Tiglath - 05/31 04:32
        Re: Ken Crusader Tiglath - 05/31 04:45
        Re: Ken Crusader Tiglath - 05/31 05:33
        Re: Ken Crusader Tiglath - 05/31 17:25
        what`s wrong with MOCKING??? pancho - 05/31 18:24
    - jews may have resented... pancho - 05/30 14:22
  - again... pancho - 05/30 14:15

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