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It`s very hard to have a reasonable discussion with god-people. In the end you`ll refer back to what five out of work Jews said 2000 years ago. Whatever we discuss today will be dragged back to that old tune.

Then sit now with a student of Islam

...Islam isn´t killing the world today...Islam didn`t try to wipe out an entire religious group just 60 years ago...Islam has not the record of murderous intolerance Christianity has. Left to themselves the Muslims were bothering no one...after you Christians failed to murder and eat all Jews, you set the survivors up in a concentration camp called Israel where they`ve been doing Christian dirty work for decades...making the Terrorists America needs to replace their other pals, the Communists, with. I don`t get your point.

Christianity is merely the belief that Jesus was the true Messiah...the JEWISH messiah.

He was the Messiah who came to restore the true spirit of Judaism.

...It is a murderous spirit...the Hebrews were the most barbaric and backward and pig-ignorant people of their day. And not even the majority of THEM wanted anything to do with Jesus...his message was hardly "universal". Christianity..which is just neo-Judaism, was spread by the Roman Army following the roads Rome built for millitary conquest..it was nothing more than the Imperial religion meant to induce conformity throught the vast empire. Where Rome and Byzantium didn`t go...there Christianity never took serious hold.

Our people had no tradition of a Messiah and no need of one.

Your people now sing praises to him. I've seen it with my own eyes.

...They are not Assyrians. Speaking Latin does NOT make you a Roman today...neither does being born in Rome make you a descendant of Marcus Aurelius....the Jews, Egyptians and almost everyone else back then spoke that language. Paul is correct in this at least...that the people claiming to be Assyrians today are really the neo-Jews who were kicked out of Judea and sent packing among tolerant pagans who welcomed then and left them alone.

...There is nothing more obvious and clear to a modern Assyrian than that the people you think are Assyrian are NOT. This whole push to become the instant descendants of the ancient Assyrians..based on a religious claim, no less, of being "original" Christians, when Christianity was as foreign in every sense of the word to that region as if it had come from Mars...is just the Church`s way of trying to get a little respect for Jesus...in the form of a Christian enclave.

..."My" people are of EVERY religion and none at all...MY people are Assyrians and NOT Jews! I have the utmost respect for the achievements of Jews since they were thrown out of Israel and sent out without the means to keep slaughtering innocent animals and calling that morality...as they could no longer shed blood in their Temple, they turned to a sort of scholarship that at least made brilliant pedants out of them. But..to claim that Assyrians EVER threw away our glorious gods away for the Messiah bullshit is absurd and a damn lie.

If you lived in Jerusalem you desperately wanted out of there and since you couldn´t make crops grow without killing your firstborn...as opposed to inventiong agriculture and irrigation..you weren´t much able to get to any kind of paradise ANYWHERE without the celestial help of angels and what not.

Prove to us that Jews were known to kill their firstborn to make crops grow. Otherwise, your claim is hollow.

...I don`t have the book before me...it is titled "The Bible and the Near East", by Gordon and Rendsburg. This is hardly a secret. Jews practised human sacrifice and ritual slaughter...of which Jesus was just one example...like they killed goats...scapegoats to be exact. They would slit the throat of a firstborn son when faced with famine..or when the enemy was at the gates. Rather than develop "evil" science and technology...inventing things GOD didn´t apparently want his chosen idiots to know....they sat on their haunches waiting for rain...or for mice to eat their enemies.,...and when that didn`t happen they sacrificed a firstborn...they also had to go to Egypt periodically and graze their families and goats...as well as sell themselves into slavery because no one wanted that "promised land" which still can`t feed itself without massive outside assistance.

Our own beliefs are expressed best in the Epic of Gilgamesh...the idea being that it is futile and downright silly too to bother with those "lofty" questions the Jews preferred because they couldn´t manage simple stuff...like do you eat goat turds or use them to grow food instead? Not being very good at that sort of earth-bound stuff, those nincompoops decided to measure the distance to Eternity instead and a whole lot of other things they knew damn well no one could call them on...cause who the hell knows?

The likeness of the life of the present is as the rain which We send down from the skies: by its mingling arises the produce of the earth – which provides food for men and animals: (It grows) till the earth is clad with its golden ornaments and is decked out (in beauty): the people to whom it belongs think they have all powers of disposal over it: There reaches it Our command by night or by day, and We make it like a harvest clean-mown, as if it had not flourished only the day before! Thus do We explain the Signs in detail for those who reflect. (Surah Yunus: 24)

...whatever wisdom you might find in the bible was stolen from us and the other far more civilized and spiritual people among whom the Hebrews wandered bare-assed. You people stole or songs...our Creation and Flood story...you made our Napishishtum into your Noah...our Sargon the Great into your Moses...and much much more thievery did you commit to get your "holy" book of theft and plagerism...people too stupid to have their own basic stories but have to steal them and retell them with themselves in the starring roles are hardly anything to brag about...when the million plus clay tablets now re-buried in Christian and Jew vaults finally see the light of day..as it took almost 60 years to sneak out the Dead Sea Scrolls...we`ll all see who the refined and cultured people were...and who were the theiving barbarians.

In the end Gilgamesh learns true wisdom from a woman...Sidhuri, who tells him to not bother with things that are beyond the brightest people of his day...but rather to ne a good husband, father, citizen and king....and take care to create all the paradise anyone needs on EARTH...leaving the heavens to the gods.

Qarun was doubtless of the people of Moses but he acted insolently towards them: such were the treasures We had bestowed on him that their very keys would have been a burden to a body of strong men, behold, his people said to him: "Exult not, for Allah love not those who exult (in riches). But seek, with the (wealth) which Allah has bestowed on you, the Home of the Hereafter, nor forget your portion in this world: but do good, as Allah has been good to you, and seek not (occasions for) mischief in the land: for Allah loves not those who do mischief." He said: "This has been given to me because of a certain knowledge which I have." Did he not know that Allah had destroyed, before him, (whole) generations, which were superior to him in strength and greater in the amount (of riches) they had collected? But the wicked are not called (immediately) to account for their sins.
So he went forth among his people in the (pride of his worldly) glitter. Said those whose aim is the life of this world: "Oh! That we had the like of what Qarun has! For he is truly a lord of mighty good fortune!" But those who had been granted (true) knowledge said: "Alas for you! The reward of Allah (in the Hereafter) is best for those who believe and work righteousness: but this none shall attain, save those who steadfastly persevere (in good)." Then We caused the earth to swallow up him and his house; and he had not (the least little) party to help him against Allah, nor could he defend himself. And those who had envied his position the day before began to say on the morrow: "Ah! It is indeed Allah who enlarges the provision or restricts it, to any of His slaves He pleases! Had it not been that Allah was gracious to us, He could have caused the earth to swallow us up! Ah! Those who reject Allah will assuredly never prosper." That home of the hereafter We shall give to those who intend not high-handedness or mischief on earth: and the end is (best) for the righteous. Anyone who does a good action will get something better. As for anyone who does a bad action, those who have done bad actions will only be repaid for what they did. (Surat al-Qasas: 76-84)

...apparently you can`t speak for yourself. The best parts of your bible were stolen from BetNahrain...no way did people who couldn`t build a toilet write the sublime parts of the bible...those were stolen directly from US..the long list of butcheries..the debauched and bloody "king" David...a moral degenerate if there ever was one....these are YOURS.

Take your god and shove him...the world has had about enough of him.

What are your beliefs? State each one here, precept by precept, for all the world to see.

...I stated them already...I believe your religion is a crock shoved down people´`s throats the world over...I believe without the massive use of force and wholesale murder it never would have caught on anywhere outside that region and with a handful of Jews...I believe in Paganism...in multiple gods...there never was a SINGLE god and there isn`t one today, obviously there is no such thing as monotheism...all you people managed to do was spread the insane notion the Hebrews had that yahwe HAD to be everyone else´s god or else! All you`ve managed to achieve is sanctify murder in the name of an ONLY god...Pagans are tolerant people..we know that since we have our several gods...other`s have their`s and we respect that..as in Assyria and Babylon all gods were welcome.

..Even your yahwe doesn`t claim to be the ONLY god..he just says he is a JEALOUS god...that means he knows there are other`s,,,he just wants to be king of the hill...and if murder is the only way to get there...he sanctifies it.
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...Like I said...anything of value in your religion came from us...and even then you got it wrong.

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