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Written by Shushan on 10 Jul 2005 14:09:46:

..on your way in or out? Hurt or in peace and harmony? Cursing or loving?

As an answer to: Re: Why would any Assyrian want to claim Germans are Assyrians? written by Shushan on 10 Jul 2005 13:52:14:

and on your latest comments... stop blaming me for all christian religions.. I said a million times I am an agnostic who finds JESUS'SERMONS divine teachings..

...as I said a million times there is nothing contained in them that didn't come from BetNahrain.

I don't believe OT nor revelations or any of the crap dr. evil beetleboob is accusing me of...

...let's see, "Cheetah of the Junglest" and now "Dr Evil Beetleboob"...I bring the best out in some people.

and as for my saying things about our ancestors... I respect them and try to find out the truths and spread truths, but they did brag on their own tablets of their IMPERIALISM and CRUELTY, and I said they were barbaric times and only their LEADERS are to blame for the MAJORITY were artisans and builders not destroyers...

...their leaders deserve the credit for establishing and maintaining such an empire in the face of so many difficulties...silly.

but you sugar coat things to demonize Jews and Christians... and a REAL Assyrian sees ALL sides and seeks the truth and tries to build civilization by innovation and forward thinking, and not by living in the past worshipping old mythologies as God's and demonizing modern living breathing Assyrian Chrsitians in trouble like farthead does while angelicizing their tormenters like farthead does...

...you are the one fixated on the past...about 2000 years in the past. Would you care to try surgery with the kinds of implements they had back then...or live in the kinds of homes they had then? Of course not...yet you worship the most milquetoast "truths" from back then. The challenge of being a modern day Assyrian is to find Assyrian ways of being Assyrian NOW. No one is dancing around a stone altar but you three sisters from hell.

and even angelicizing our ancestors is wrong.. they were human, they lived in barbaric times, they made mistakes...

...these are far more barbaric times.

we can't justify their imperialism any more than we can justify the British or Spanish imperialism,

..of course we can...had it not been for the security and diversity Empire meant in THOSE days, there would be no civilization today...we might all be living in tribal caves as you Christians did in the mountains...and still do.

we can't justify their slavery any more than we can justify the slavery in the new world of america that came from the slavery in europe and africa and the slavery in the middle east that in some ways still exists for women...

...there is a world of difference between American Christian slavery and every other kind. Slavery in ther ancient world was an accident of war, with the winners of today knowing damn well they could be the slaves of tomorrow...Christian slavery demeaned the PEOPLE and it was done primarily for commerce...it was the whole POINT...not a by-product of victory. Slaves in the old world could be freed and attain high positions and secure wealth and prestige..it did not carry the eternal stigma of inferiority, of menial intellect and non-human status the Christians of the New World gave it...a Black American could NEVER escape slavery..not even in the North and not even today...the stigma remains always. That was never the case in the ancient world.

so we can't justify our ancestors religions allowing slavery... Jesus did not... for in my opinion he was divine

..he said nothing against slavery...against poverty...against the jizya tax the Romans levied on the Jews...he counselled people in a hopeless situation to make the best of it...sound advice but NOT for Assyrians...who were never used to squatting on a dung heap and calling it a promised land...who rather sought out the most desired locations and broke their backs building the roots of civilization...only when you jackasses became so enamored of a weak copy and plagerized version of the wisdom of BetNahrain did you BECOME Jews...wailing for a Savior.

... and no one before or since was in my opinion.. .my right without fartheads calling me a bitch and not Assyrian for my religious believe... Assyrian is an ethnicity...

...ASHUR-ism never claimed to be a universal religion...they never claimed Ashur HAD to be the god of everybody on earth or else they'd kill them..the religion of Ashur was UNIQUE to the Assyrians and to BetNahrain...other's could join in the worship and make Ashur their god...but no one was expected to or forced to...that is a world away from your Hebrew ancestors who no sooner discovered the father of Jesus in a dung heap then they turned on their OWN people and killed and ripped open the bellies of pregnant women.

...Likewise Judaism remained the religion of the JEWS...even though they briefly proslytized...they soon stopped and have NEVER sought out converts or tried to make Judaism the religion of other countries...in fact they are adamant that amny people call themselves Jews are NOT Jews...not Jew enough...the religion of ASHU was the same and from the same time...it was not only a religion but a religion which DEFINED an ethnicity as well as a geographic locale...it has EVERYTHING to do with the god in the NAME...and, as you would not consider someone a Christian who replaced the name "Christ" in CHRISTian with another god's name...no matter HOW "universal"...neither can you expect to remove ASHUR from ASHURians, replacing it with Mugwhump OR Christ...

..The Assyrian religion was made by and FOR the Assyrians. The Christian faith was anyone's who wanted it...and NO ONE DID...not even the Jews wanted it...and NO ONE in the New World wanted it...and you NEVER had millions and millions in the east...and no Muslims killed them ALL!

..You can leave Christianity and still be a Frenchman or an Englishwoman...you can not leave Judaism and still be considered a Jew. The name Assyrian harkens back to a different worls..a different time and a different take on religions and the people of a god...for that reason, and especially if you claim any sort of continuity with the ancients...you HAVE to remain faithful to Ashur first and foremost...it's really very simple...which may be the reason you can't comprehend it.

and it does not mean I have to make my milenia old ancestors angels if they were imperaliistic and bragged on their OWN tablets about their cruelty...

...they don't need anything from you. The world was such a place then...they didn't brag...they tried propaganda as a way of warning people not to place everyone's lives in jeopardy and set people back by fomenting rebellion. It is clear they punished the leadership and ruling cliques of those who rebelled...as they had every right to do...they did NOT kill everyone...as the Hebrews and later Christians did. They did NOT make war on Iraqi babies...they would have been ashamed to do so.

it is not right for Germans to brag what the Nazi did and they dont

...Nazis were Christians...they weren't Assyrians.

... it is not right for Americans to brag what slavery did and we don't... it is not right for Jews to brag about slaying Cannanites and they don't (and you can't blame modern peeople for what ancient religious text say)... so it is not right for modern day Assyrians to brag about their imperialism and cruelty... and denying it and making them saints is the same as bragging in my book...

...you are illiterate.

they bragged on their tablets so I see that is because they like the Greeks and Romans did the same was because the worshipped a God of War and Empire... and that was fine for their time and place but it made all 3 of those civilizations enough enemies to finally break them... so I prefer a God of mystery and a philosopher of Peace so I have no realigion, am agnostic but I try to follow Jesus' teachings ...

...you do a great job. Get some professional help.

even though evil fartheads make it hard and hurt that effort.. but I am human too and as Jesus says, forgive others and yourself...

..before Jesus Sennakherib, who had a lot more to attend to than a carpentry shop, forgave the Babylonians twice...the king of a nation cannot turn the other cheek...as you can't seem to do either. I doubt if you were on a subway train and some man, or woman, fondled your arse, you'd turn your other cheek. Quit with the nonsense...Christians are the cruelest and most savage people the world has ever known...how do you think they "spread" this religion of "love and tolerance"? You people just duck behind Jesus when you get caught.

so stop demonizing people farthead.. .our ancestors were great civilization builders but they made mistakes and paid for them, and like all religions they made up anthropomorphized Gods to help them conquer others and survive unknowns and fear... I choose to rise above that and will try to rise above your childish taunting and comments and insults... you ask how old I am in your childish tuanting way, but the names you give people are a thousand times more childish than my giving you dr. evil... and consider the evil names and taunts of me... who is calling who childish, you old coot!

..this "old coot" could make you squirm with delight!

(sorry...couldn't resist)

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