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Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Monday, February 9 2009, 2:46:55 (CET)
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There are idiots, and especially brainwashed Christians who actually can believe that every single Jew today is a direct descendant of Abrahm through Isaac while Arabs are descendants of Abraham through Ishamel and the same way our nationalists claim that every Christian of Iraq/Syria is a direct descendant of Ashur. This absurd and only a total moron will believe that one man can be the ancastors of millions of people and that even today everyone of those who claim a certain title is a descendant of whatever bullshit they claim. First of all I will start with the Hebrew people or I should say they people that became knowns as Hebrews or Israelites. The people who became known as Hebrews were already in existense prior to Abraham and Isaac and it was that they mixed, married, and accepted the religion of Abraham and so became unified people. Just as for example when our stupid nationalists claim that the they were the first Chrostians and their church started in 33CE. If that was indded true, it would only mean they became Jews, and by doing so one has to circumcise the penis, adhere to their laws and worship they way the rest of Jews worship.

In other words, if Fred Aprim was the first accept Christ, it means would have to cut of the skin on his little penis and become a Jew. There was no such thing as "Christians" in 33 CE and the only people to have accepted Christ were from among his own people and they were not Christians and there was nothing for them to convert to because it was the same religion. Those who became known as Christians were the followers of Paul and again even then the claim of the nationalists still is bogus because his followers were not Assyrians but Greco-Roman pagans and it was much later that anyone else would have accepted. And as Pancho stated, it wasn't until the 4th century that the people of Mesopotamia became Christians and that too because it was made mandatory by the Roman emperor. There was no choice in that. What the hell do these morons think that the Roman emperor was gooing to be nice and not torture and force them into the religion when he even did it to his own people? Hell no, the same way those in Europe were forced and killed, our ancestors too were forced and had no choice. Sure a few barefoot people with certain agendas accepted and those were the ones who were the leaders such as bishops, pristes, and the rest of those kind, but the people were surely forced and had no say.

Back to the "pure ethnicity" bull shit. No one is pure nothing. People mix, marry, etc. There were people already living in what is now Israel and Abraham's children simply mixed with them but it is absurd to claim that every Jew today is a direct descendant of Abraham and such thing is not possible. Just as is it absurd to claim that every Assyrian was a descendant of Ashur and that is false and impossible. They were people just like the rest, similar to the rest of the neighbors and they to were a mixture of people who became known as Assyrians. Whenever these nationalists make their absurd claims, I ask them where are the Sumerians, Babylonians, Chaldeans, etc, and of course they make all kinds of stupid opinions and lies. They too ended up mixing with others and so their cultures were lost and became one with the next group of champions. The same thing happened to the ancient Assyrians too. Of course they didn't just completelt vanish over night, sure many were killed during the battles and many more were enslaved, but the rest survived, blended in with the rest. That is why there was no Assyrian identity and the people were almost forgotten a few centuries later. The today's Christians are nothing but a modern invention and they have nothing to do with ancient nothing. If the ancients were a mixture of people and cultures, then today these dweeps can in no way be pure nothing. But again anyone to believe they speak to God every night and that a barefoot man was walking the grass of Palestine 2,000 years ago at a time when Jews are being humiliated, crucified by thousands, women raped and over taxed, and this man was a messiah yet was preaching turn the other cheeck, pay your taxes, don't cause trouble, love them, and the rest of the shit, such ppl will believe anything absurd.

As for the Arabs, at least these people don't make absurd claims and if a few do, they are just as stupid as the rest who make such claims. The Arabs existed before Abraham, and Ishmael and it was Ishamel who mixed with the people of Arabia and is called "father of Arabs" by some people. He was not a father of Arabs or at least not all Arabs. This goes for any people. No human being is pure nothing because people always mix, migrate, and change. Anyone to think one person is superior to another and claim direct descent is stupid. Modern Jews are mixed and come in all colors and shapes, the same goes for Arabs, and whoever else. I am just amazed at how a sane and educated person can be this stupid and actually believe one man, some 5,000 years ago can be the ancastors of millions today and that everyone of them is a "direct descendant" of that person. I mean what hell did that person get pregnant on his own and priduce children without a woman? And didn't his children through his wife marry other people and so became unified and that it is more of a title rather than a direct descendant.

Most Jews know this of course and of course there are radicals among them just as there are among others but at least many of them acknowledge that people converted to the Jewish religion and are not necessarily descendants of the ancient Israelites. If Judaism never seeked converts, they would have never survived unless like Hundus they have over a billion people but the Jews too gained converts and this is admitted by Jewish scholars. I can only laugh at those who make such a big deal and go out of the way to prove direct lineage yet they have nothing.

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