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=> Apology to Tiglath

Apology to Tiglath
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Wednesday, September 22 2010, 13:46:10 (UTC)
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...I missed the total UN defiiniton...you had it right (but not Gewargis), but I still think itīs been watered down to mean almost anything...that being said, here is one that I find is in most agreement with what the majority say...

"1996 Irving Louis Horowitz Genocide is herein defined as a structural and systematic destruction of innocent people by a state bureaucratic apparatus [emphasis in original]. . . . Genocide mean the physical dismemberment and liquidation of people on large scales, an attempt by those who rule to achieve the total elimination of a subject people.[24][26]"

..key words:

1. structural and systematic.

2. by a state bureaucratic apparatus.

3. attempt by those who rule.

..oh yes, and "innocent people".

These are significant because they make a clear and necessary distinction between one-time mob action and a state-sponsored program.

There is no evidence that Iīve seen, or read of, that would indicate the Turkish state ever thought of, planned, or carried out such an action. This is what Christians would dearly love to see all of Islam accused and convicted of, it has been their main hue and cry for centuries, but evidence in fact does not exist...on the contrary, historians are almost unanimous in their view that Islam saved Christian sects and minorities from persecution and annhilation at the hands of dominant Christianity.

If this state of affairs suddenly changed, then we must, if we are to be fair and just, seek out some explanation for the change in policy and attitude towards Christians within the Ottoman Empire...and that event exists and can be chronicled...and it dates from the first attacks and murders and persecution by Christian armies,beginning in the 17th century, who managed, without fail, to sway Turkish Christians, and other Christians, to their side in the fight against the countries which had been the home of those Christians for centuries. And it still goes on.

It is no small matter to have Africa attack the United States, starting in the 17th century,,,and to continue those attacks with periodic occupations, right to the present, and have seen African Americans throughout those centuries, take the side of Africa and battle their own neighbors, for foreign hire etc. African Americans would have been rightly hated from that day to this....

And itīs no small matter that, genocide claims aside, Turkish Christians were left unmolested in most to the Empire, their churches allowed to function etc. If the Turks had indeed a plan to commit genocide, to wipe out a genus, or group...then how to explain their past tolerance and, their continued tolerance to this day, when churches and Christians exist all over Turkey?

It just doesnīt look or sound like genocide.



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