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Aprim and Hajjar Profundus

Posted by pancho (Guest) - Friday, January 25 2008, 22:31:27 (CET)
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....on bethsuryoyo Hanna Hajjar lists 61 cases where Chaldeans are explained to be merely Catholic Nestorians...that they aren't lineal descendants of the ancient Chaldeans, as they claim, but were merely given that name by the pope. No argument there. But what's always intriguing is that people like him don't see that the same is true in the case of modern Assyrians...who also got their new name from the Euros...and did so AFTER the Nestorians were tagged with "Chaldean".

..it's very hard to keep religious folk honest and accountble. You think there's a chance when they seem to act rationally, and then they go blooey on you and take off for the ceiling. Yes, all the evidence points to the Chaldean name being applied to the Nestorians in the 17th century. But it's not true that the rest of the Christians were then known as Assyrians....in fact that name didn't appear when "Chaldean" was introduced with the result that for decades the Nestorians, who did NOT turn Catholic, called themselves "Chaldean Nestorians"...because they didn't like the idea of the Catholics among them getting this "nifty" new name...so they called themselves Chaldeans too.....it's all there in the history books. I'm not making it up and Rassam admits to it as does Layard and every Nestorian writer at that time...none of whom described themselves as "Assyrians".

That didn't happen until the 19th century when the digging started and the Euros decided the Nestorians above the ruins HAD to be decsended from the people buried under them...the Nestorians, thrilled to have their own "ancient" name, began calling themselves Assyrians..that too is well attested in the historical record...before the 19th century there is NO record of Nestorians calling themselves Assyrians. They MENTION the word because they lived "in Assyria", but that's all...there's no evidence of any self-awareness among them that they were direct decsendants etc...in addition there isn't a single instance when they showed any knowledge of their "heritage" for hundreds of years, except for what they read in the bible...which they NEVER applied to themselves....the LAST thing they wanted to be was realted to THOSE people! And even today there are "Assyrians" who despise their ancestors and see tham as bloody savages who hurt the Jews.

All these modern Assyrians do is engage in sleight-of-hand...weird 'arguments" and tortured explanations....no one argues that there weren't Assyrians at one time..or that all of them were wiped out after the empire. of course people survived as they had when Sumer was conquered and Babylon..so telling us about ANCIENT history proves nothing to the point of their being the MODERN descendants of those people. Even with all the "lost "A"s...and belabored prooooooves, using examples of this and that can't explain why these Nestorians neglected to write anything...ANYTHING, that showed they were descended from those people. Hanna Hajjar's parents didn't learn about Assyria frorm their parents and their parents before them passed on by word of mouth or written record from the fall of Nineveh...in fact ALL those people had to be taught "their" history by the Europeans who had to DECIPHER 'their" language for them...they themselves wrote NOTHING in their "new" language of Aramaic, supposedly THE new Assyrian language, themselves...nothing, not a word about anything that wasn't already IN THE BIBLE.

...they forgot it all long long ago...and it is irrelevant today to say that,as Christians, they are the REAL Assyrians, descended directly from the ancients. The fact that they never wrote or showed any interest in their ancient history but had to be taught it by Europeans, says it all. The Assyrian identity is as invented a figment of the Euros as is the Chaldean.

This has been Aprim's cross to bear; the harder he proves that Chaldean is a modern made-up name, invented by Europeans...the more he proves the same is true with the Assyrian name. And that, as they say, is that.

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