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Aprim's Book

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Unfortunately I got the wrong one, the fist in the series, “The Continuing Saga”…I wanted the Badr Khan one but I glanced through this one just the same. Thank the lord the printers also do the editing. How would it look for their business if they left Aprim’s massacre of the English language intact. The book is at least not painful to read…all of his flourishes have been expunged, replaced by a straight-forward style that’s at least easy to follow…but to where? The underlying unreality of all these folk seems to be their strange belief that if they can only prove they are who they say they are, rewards will be forthcoming from somewhere….either the Iraqis will apologize and give them a triangle or the world will be compelled to force the issue on their behalf…you know, THAT world…the one that loves justice and the little guy so much…the world that went to war against Iraq using every unjust method at its disposal…THAT world is supposed feel compelled to do “right” by Aprim. Do they not understand that it doesn’t matter whether they are or aren’t Assyrians? I mean not in any meaningful way that will bring them anything tangible. The history of the world is of one people taking the place of another with the former becoming subordinate of not wiped out entirely. This isn’t ‘a crime”..it’s just how it is. The book is made of the usual non-points that because people persisted in calling that region Assyria…that everyone living there for the last 3000 years and the next 10,000 must BE and WILL be Assyrian; a direct descendant of blah blah blah. What can one say? If these people were rational to begin with they’d understand the fallacy of this on their own…good luck. No one has ever said all the ancient Assyrians were wiped out…no one. But still, half the points in the book try to prove that which no one argues…it is Aprim who says “people think, ha ha, that all Assyrians were done away with”…and you’re supposed to respond with, “how stupid those people are”. No one has ever said all Babylonians disappeared…or all Sumerians..or all Amorites. They merely blended into the more powerful people who subdued them and settled their lands. Aprim says that “it is thought”…he does a lot of that…that in the north the Assyrians remained dominant etc. He has no evidence for this, it’s just what he wants to believe so he can say they remained Assyrian to this day, while everywhere else, foreigner settled and took over. At a time and in a region where the norm was to transplant conquered populations en masse and bring in others, something the Assyrians were noted for as well, we’re supposed to believe the Medes and Babylonians left the defeated Assyrians alone, imposed nothing on them, but let them carry on as if nothing had happened. That’s quite a stretch of the imagination and contrary to what we know…and would have made little sense to those who’d finally managed to defeat the Assyrians. And since we hear nothing of any rebellion of the Assyrians against their Persian masters, another odd thing, we can assume they were treated in the same manner and for the same reason as they themselves treated conquered people who they made sure to resettles in other lands, precisely to ensure that no rebellion took place. Assyria remained Assyria, but it remained quiet because other people were brought to live in it as well settled there voluntarily. For 1000 years the Hellenic influence infused that region, along with Persian and then Roman…as once the Assyrians had…but Assyria’s day was over after a long run. It was now other people’s turn. We have Xenophon’s own words that when he passed through Nineveh only 200 years after the fall of empire, he encountered Medes there…he never mentions Assyrians. Of course they were still there, but in small numbers and less and less aware of who they were and more and more likely marrying with and blending with their conquerors…we our own young become “lost” today in foreign nations little by little. Maggie’s brilliant take on this was that Xenophon was mistaken and corrected himself when he got home…and read Aprim’s book I suppose. The rest of the proooooves are the usual tortured, twisted head over arse-end sorts no one but our nationalists take seriously. And of course, Aryan Ishaya pops up as another “expert”. The woman is an anthropologist, not an Assyriologist and not an historian…for that matter Zack Cherry is an Assyriologist and not an historian…it seems we can get close to being professional historians but not quite and so are forced to do so in our garages at night, like any hobby…that’s because our sense of history and the ridiculous things we’re raised believing took place, which includes the notion that all historians are lying fools and so-called experts whenever they disagree with what our parents told us, means we couldn’t get even a BS degree in history, let alone a PhD or a teaching position at any accredited college…or high school and that no serious publisher would ever invest in and back anything of history that we wrote. Like Aprim we’re forced, instead, to find something called, “Xlibris Corporation at www.Xlibris.com” which would happily re-issue “Mein Kampf” and “The Kristian Klan” too, if you paid their fee. By itself that gives a good overview of our beliefs…we would love to be accepted as what we claim and attract a legitimate publisher…but since we aren’t believed and can’t be believed, we have to settle for a print-shop that will print anyone’s book, they don’t care and they don’t know…if we say we’re Assyrians, or Chinese, it’s all the same to them so long as we pay. It’s the difference between charming a lady home to your bed or paying a lady of the night. We have to pay for it because no one is won over by us without the cash. If the field is not just any history but Middle Eastern history…forget about it. It’s like sending a KKK grand dragon to Yale…he’ll never even make it to the cafeteria without burning somebody on a pile of books. We have one, ONE, among us who’s actually made our modern history his professional area of study and has been teaching it at a legitimate college where he’s garnered praise and had a building named for him AND published real books with real publishers, not Xlibris hookers trolling for customers on the cyberhighway, and we know what kinds of names we call him. Our ONE and only doctor of history. If nothing else exposed the flimsiness of our “identity” that alone would do it. In short we are pimps when it comes to legitimate history. The most glaring flaw in all of this is that no one can produce any writings to show that Nestorians, or Jacobites were aware of their own ancient history…besides what anyone could have read in the bible all those centuries ago. They didn’t remember Shumirum, Sargon II, Ahiqar or any of the grand battles, buildings, inventions…not even the Epic of Gilgamesh was kept sacred as something to pass on to their children…the children of “Assyria”. Instead they took Jewish names for themselves, fawned all over Jonah whose story is nothing more than an insult to the people of Nineveh…”forgot” that they had Napishtim way before the Jews made a Noah out of him..forgot that the creation legend is much older than Genesis..forgot that Sargon was set adrift much earlier than Moses…and on and on. In short they forgot all about being Assyrians until the Europeans dug them up and taught them all about themselves in the 19th century, 2500 years after Xenophon reported finding no Assyrians in Nineveh. Sure, they were there. But they were in serious decline and soon forgot. The fact that the cities went on being called by their ancient names is hardly proof of anything. Babylon was known by that name long after the last Babylonian died or forgot. Rome is still Rome…that doesn’t prove that the guy driving a taxi there today is a descendant of Julius Caesar and wouldn’t if he got Xlibris to print his geneology…and he’d be laughed at for claiming any such foolish thing, book or no book. Yet we’re PROUD when we say the same dumb thing. And have the book to prove it!!! --------------------- - BACK TO INDEX - REPLY - QUOTE - EDIT - DELETE -

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