The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

=> Assyrian/Chaldean issue

Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Tuesday, July 22 2008, 1:19:46 (CEST)
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Both Chaldeans and Assyrians of today are nothing more than religious titles for certain church denominations. If a Chaldean leaves the church or even marries a person of another denomination, he/she will likely lose the Chaldean membership. The same goes for the Assyrians of today. The name was given to the Nestorians first and only now in the last few decades due to this Assyrian Nation propaganda bullshit there are few Chaldeans and others who have bought into it and call themselves Assyrians. AS for the rest, it is the same game. "Assyrian" basically means a person from the church of the east and Chaldean is the ones who joined Rome in the 16th century and were given the name. Now our nationalists want to convince their goats that "Suraya" simply meant "Assyrian" all along and, therefore, it never died out. If that were so, they wouldn't need to switch to "Aturaya", but they would continue with "Suraye" in their language and save them trouble or maybe get the "unity" they are always talking about. They know it's all bullshit and that is exactlt why they want Chaldeans and Suryoye to call themselves "Assyrians" rather than use the names they use.

The "Suraya" name has long been debated but the claim that it means Assyrian is very weak. Syriac is the name that the Aramean language became known as after the Christian era and that means that Suraya originates from this language. In other words, all the Syriac speaking Christians of Bet Nahrain were calling themselves "Suraye" which has to do with their language. So we have our nationalists trying to sell their propganda which hasn't worked. Just as the other lies that they were persecuted by Muslims, and that they are direct descendants of the ancient Assyrians and that the ancients never switched language because the Arameans were never powerful to influence people like that, all their claims are bullshit. No wonder they could never be historians because they are too prejudice and they wouldn't be able to handle it. While Arameans may have never ruled as an empire, they, nevertheless, were powerful people and their language/culture was very rich and influential. Their language was adopted by many peoples and used by many people in the ancient world.

The Persians, Assyrians, Babylonians and many others used and accepted the Aramean language but it hit the Assyrians the most because they lost their culture and language after that. The today's claims of our nationalists are full of crap and have no basis at all. They are in the same boat as Chaldeans are and have no right to demand evidence from Chaldeans to prove their ethnicity. Chaldeans really never cared about a "Chaldean Nation" but they have been proud and loyal Iraqis for the most part. Only recently have we seen this sudden "Chaldeanism" stuff which is linked to the "Assyrianism" bullshit. If the nationalists are proud of the ancients, then all peoples who whish to do so regardless of religion or language have the right to be proud but the Christians are in no better position to claim direct descent which is only based on religion. It is just strange that not even 20 years ago one could only be Assyrian if he/she were nestorians but today they have become desperate so for political reasons they want the Suryoye of Syria and Turkey to call themselves Assyrians and also the Chaldeans.

These people can't even play a soccer match at peace together yet they want unity. The bottom line is that this "Assyrianism" joke is not real and they are not persecuted. It's strange that their entire strategy is based on hatred toward Muslims and others, one has to be Christian by name at least and most of all they need daily or weekly lies about so called attacks against the "Christian Assyrians". They manage to bite themselves in the ass when they run their mouths on their forums about their so called "oppurtinuties" to take advantage of. They get happy when a Christian is killed in Iraq because they think it serves their cause so they can blame Muslims and demand a piece of land. This is bullshit and they should rather work with others by rebuilding their homeland and being loyal to Iraq rather then create division, hatred and be a bunch of racist Christians. It's hard to imagine that a people who are always talking about their love for a Jesus(as) who preached nothing but peace and never harmed a fly no matter what, yet they are unable to even sort of follow that example.

Is it fair to say that it is bullshit? They attack others, they put sanctions in a heart beat and do all types of other crimes yet they are quick to boast about Jesus being kind and preaching nothing but peace and "your Mohammed" was not so. Then why is it that the followers of Muhammad(pbuh) especially those who adgere to Islam fully have been so tolerant, patient and dedicated to what they are rodered to follow while the Christians are unable to follow the example of Jesus? It's time to say it's all bullshit and while Jesus(as) was a mighty prophet of God and the Messiah to the Israelites, Christians have nothing to do with him and they are unable to follow his example and they don't even care for him except for his so called death. It's strange that the Muslim can live his daily life loving Jesus and respecting him without trouble but the Christian can only focus on his death. Now to us it makes no difference if he were killed or not because we don't believe in such a silly idea as "original sin" and that someone has to be sacrificed. We love and respect all of the prophets and Messengers of God without exception.

But we do know and believe as Muslims that Jesus was never killed nor crucified but God rescued him from such humility. The fools and morons r those who rejoice over such injustice and illogical act and believe that heaven is waiting for them based on having faith in that. This is exactly why the so called "peaceful" Christians have such hatred for Muhammad not because he was against Jesus but because he told the truth about the Christians who have been doing all kinds of crimes for almost 2,000 years because they believe they are "saved" when they are following nothing but wishful thinking.

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