The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

=> Assyrian Heritage Foundation......huh?

Assyrian Heritage Foundation......huh?
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Tuesday, October 1 2013, 17:17:35 (UTC)
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> What happened to the ancient Assyrians?
> Until recently, history texts, and encyclopedias have failed to provide information about what happened to the ancient Assyrians after the fall of Nineveh.



...that's not at all true...many academics and historians have explained that Assyrians "disappeared", meaning when they forgot their Akkadian language in favor of the Aramaic, which also became the liturgical language of Christianity, they forgot their identity and history and culture and actual heritage...just as our parents today warn their kids not to "forget your language because you'll forget your identity"...same admonition except the Akkadian was forgotten long ago and with it any memory of BEING Assyrians...George Roux, Sydney Smith, John Joseph and many other tell exactly what happened to the remnants of the Assyrian Empire, very few of which were actual Assyrians anyway!


> Absence of such information was caused by the fact that Greek historians who wrote about them corrupted their name to Syrian by dropping the starting A in their name. Furthermore they gave the name Syria to the land west of the Euphrates, because for as long as they could remember it had been part of the Assyrian Empire. Consequently, all references to Syrians were wrongly assumed to mean citizens of Syria. Despite attempts by the 5th century BC Herodotus, and the first century AD Strabo to distinguish, between citizens of Syria and Assyrians, the confusion continued into the later centuries.

...no, again. Syria was the name given by the Greeks for Aram...had nothing to do with Assyria. The "lost A" is a bit of tricky foolishness that sounds reasonable, to uneducated dolts. In the ancient world there were two distinct words for Syria/Aram and for Assyria...the ancients knew full well these were two separate people and not two words for the same people...the discovery of the tablet in Turkey which has made assyrians wet themselves merely shows that a minor people back then had a peculair way of spelling "Assyria"...in THEIR language...no different than today's French calling Americans "les Americains"..that's how it's spelled in FRENCH, it is NOT the way Americans refer to themselves..."Syria" referred to Aram...that this is so is also shown by Oxford scholars who edited anew Oxford Bible in 1970 and went back to Aram and Aramaic instead of Syria and Syriac.....

> In a recently published book, titled: “Assyrians Beyond the Fall of Nineveh, William M Warda provides irrefutable historical and archaeological evidences to prove that ancient Assyrians survived their 612 B.C. defeat and their descendants continued into the Christian era.

...William Warda is another dismal missionary, a Brit at that, whose mission was also to split Christians away from their Muslim neighbors and attach them to the British...he did so by convincing us fools that we were not at all like the Arabs but an entriely different "ethnic" group...we were naturally flattered beyond endurance and have believed it ever since...he is not an historian or scholar in THIS field..just another British operative.


> Archeological discoveries prove that Assyrian communities in the cities of Assur, Hatra, Edessa, and Harran worshiped the ancient Assyrian gods such as Ashur, Shrua, Ishtar, Bell, Nebu and Nergal until the 3rd century AD. They also celebrated the Assyria Akitu Festival. And gave their children names that were inline with names during the neo-Assyrian period.

...give us those "names"...once and for all provide some EVIDENCE instead of opinions.



> Such fact have convinced Assyriologists such as H.W. F., Saggs, Robert D. Diggs, Giorgi Tsereteli, Simon Parpola, and Iranologists like Richard Nelson Frye to believe that ancient Assyrians survived their defeat and their descendants continued into the Christian era.



...these are not FACTS...they are opinions. Assyriologists are not qualified to assess the existence of modern assyrians...they are expert in the ancients who enjoy stroking our balls, and meeting tenure requirements, by putting out their opinions in a field hardly anyone cares about or examins closely...so they get away with whatever they feel like saying.


> For example: H.W.F. Saggs, the author of several books about history of Mesopotamia, including “The Greatness that was Babylon,” and “The Might That Was Assyria, wrote:
> "The destruction of the Assyrian empire did not wipe out its population. They were predominantly peasant farmers, and since Assyria contains some of the best wheat land in the Near East, descendants of the Assyrian peasants would, as opportunity permitted, build new villages over the old cities and carry on with agricultural life, remembering traditions of the former cities. After seven or eight centuries and various vicissitudes, these people became Christians." (Saggs, H.W.F., 1989, 290)



...no one has EVER said the population was wiped out...no one! What many have said (and we know from our own parents warning) is that they gave up their own language for that of the Arameans...we also know they didn;t bother to translate their rich Assyrian heritage INTO their new language...all that was known of the ancient Assyrians was what anyone could pick up from the Hebrew Bible...that was all that was known, by us and everyone else, until the 19th century when excavations revealed far more...

.Assyrians survivors blended in with subsequent peoples, as has happened all throughout history ...it is in this sense they "disappeared"..just as did the Babylonians, Sumerians, Hittites, Hurrians, Medes and so many more...where are they? Where are their descendants? How is it that modern assyrians, who say it is impossible that the ancients disappeared, all insist these other peoples DID? The genetic material remained, many Assyrians survived, but their memory of BEING Assyrian disappeared.

> While Western historians believed that the city of Nineveh was never inhabited after it was destroyed, historical evidences prove otherwise. When Arab Geographer Al- Mas-udi visited Nineveh in 943 A.D, He described it as a complex of ruins in the middle of which there are several villages and farms.” He also wrote: “It was to these settlements that God sent Jonah." (Brian M. Fagan, Return to Babylon, Little, Brown & Co., Canada p.18.)
> Since the early centuries of Christianity, Christian Assyrians have observed a three-days fast called Baota d’ Ninevayee, or the wish of the Ninivites based on the book of Jonah of the Old Testament.

...that story has nothing to say about Assyrians "surviving" or "remembering"....the story of Jonah simply uses the ancient Assyrians as an example of the WORST sinners of that day...people so deep in sin and crime that Yahwe could forgive EVEN them, if they repented and did as the Jewish god told them...how's THAT for assyrian pride?

> Nineveh became an important center of the Assyrian Christianity. It was presided over by a long list of bishops from 554 AD to the late ninth century. Later its bishopric was transferred to Mosul. Mar Emma, the Bishop of Nineveh was elected Patriarch of the Church of the East and served in that position between A.D. 644 to 647. Ishu-Yahav was the bishop of Nineveh (627-637) when the byzantine forces under the command of emperor Hercules defeated the Persians near Nineveh in 627. He fled to his estate in the mountain, during the war, because he feared that the Byzantine might take him prisoner. (William G. Young, "Patriarch, Shah and Caliph", Christian Study Center, Rawalpindi, Pakistan 1974, p. 87) Warda also describes the Christian Assyrians’ struggle for survival during the last 2000 years as subjects of foreign conquerors that ruled their homeland.

...this now becomes the story of early Christianity, which has nothing to do with the survival of assyrians....assyrians today simply claim their Christian heritage to be an "Assyrian" heritage...with such "Assyrian" holy days as Lent and Easter.

> He also presents irrefutable historical and archaeological evidences to prove that those who question the Assyrian identity of the Christian Assyrians do so because they are uninformed about their history.
> Assyrian beyond the Fall of Nineveh is available at Amazon.com.

...utter bullshit..it is THIS group and these amateurs who are making things up....it is a fertile field for writing nonsense since there is little agreed on evidence.....except for the simple fact that modern assyrians never knew they were Assyrians till the Euros told them...the "Syria is really Assyria" is just a clever gambit which fools no one but eager fools.



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