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Assyrian, Syrian, Asori
Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Sunday, February 3 2008, 18:15:51 (CET)
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Although I had written regarding this topic a while back, I feel that it is important to bring it back since some of these nationalists continue to use it as "proof" for their Assyrian descent. Shlama19 cited exactly the same old soucres such as Herodotus. These nationalists like to insist that "Syrian" is derived from "Assyrian", therefore, the modern Suryoye are direct descendants of the ancient Assyrians. These nationalists like us to suddenly believe that "Syrian" was always understood to be "Assyrian" but that is not the case at all. The term "Syria" only came into existense after Assyria ceased to exist and it was used in the ancient Greek for the areas covering parts of western Mesopotamia all the way to the Mediterranean coast. So Syria gave birth to the term "Syros" which was used for the natives of Syria who were the Arameans. The Syriac fathers called themselves Arameans all along while "Assyrian" was only adopted recently. The Mesopotamian area during the early Christian era was called "Bet Aramaye" and it should have been called "Bet Ashuraye" or Bet Aturaye" instead if they were Assyrian all along.

Another example are the ancient Hebrews who always used Aram for Syria. If anything, the Greeks and Romans often confused Syrians with Assyrians but the the more educated ones knew the difference and knew that those were Arameans whom they were calling Syrians and not the actual ancient Assyrians. Before the birth of Assyrian nationalims in the 19th century, The Neo Syriac speaking Christians of Mesopotamia did not call themselves Assyrians but simply "Suryoye" or "Suraye" which means nothing more than "Christians". This is interestring because the elders continue to refer to Christians whether from Europe or Syriacs as "Suraye" and do not imply it to mean "Assyrian". If one were to be unbiased and if these nationalist were willing to read the writings of travelers who spent time in the region and the Christian missionaries, we see clearly that the Syriac speaking Christians did not call themselves "Aturaye" "Ashuraye" or "Assyrian".

As for "Asori" in the Armenian language, the word does not mean "Assyrian" but "Syrian". The correct word for "Assyrian" in the Armenian language is "Asorestanti". To make a long story short, the word "Syrian" was properly applied and it belonged to the "Arameans" and not "Assyrians". The Arameans were called ethnically Syrians. Even the church fathers always knew that Syriacs were and are Arameans. Those Syriacs who have started to call themselves "Assyrians" only started to do so with the birth of this "Assyrian Nationalism" which we can observe today despite not having any real knowledge of the ancient Assyrians.

These nationalist like to believe that the modern day Assyrians, Chaldeans and Arameans are all direct descendants of the ancient Assyrians. One has to wonder what happened to the Arameans who were in existense even after the fall of Assyria, with their rich language and culture which influenced the Middle East including the Assyrians and Babylonians? Where did they disappear to while ancient Assyrians are the only ones to have survived? The Syriacs were calling themselves Arameans all along the early Christian centuries and Assyrian only came into existense about a century ago. If these nationalist are honest enough to ackonledge that it was Rome which named the modern Catholic Syriacs as "Chaldeans" why do they turn a blind eye to the British who played the same game with the Nestorians?

The bottom line is that the ancient Assyrians, Chaldeans, Arameans, Babylonians etc are all the ancastors of modern day people in Iraq, Syria and others. But what these nationalist are doing is absurd and they know that it was the British who created this modern "Assyrian nationalism". However, even if we would play along for the sake of arguement that "Syrian" is same as "Assyrian", these people knew nothing of the ancients, have no connection to them and all their knowledge comes from foreign discoveries. They did not have any proud "Ashuraye" 200 years ago, there were no Ashur's, Sargon's or Tighlad's. All this "Assyrian Pride" is recent and it was created for political reasons. Nevertheless, the ancients are the ancastors of the modern day Iraqis be it Christian, Muslim or whatever, but it is not the way these nationalist like us to believe and it will not be sufficient to demand "special treatment" or "independence". Last but not least, this was not an attack on anyone nor am I working with the CIA, Mosat or whoever else.

ps, fuck the patriots I hope the giants will smach their ass just the was pancho smached the sculpture because of these Christians



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