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A fascinating story from January that I somehow missed. Most interesting is the comments section at the bottom! http://www.arabamericannews.com/news/news/id_11662/Chaldean-Muslim-coalition-group-stalls.html DEARBORN — Relations between the Chaldean and Arab communities reached a boiling point in September after Christian Iraqis vigorously protested the proposed building of a mosque in Sterling Heights, which is home to one of the largest Iraqi Christian immigrant populations in the state. City leaders rejected the mosque following a firestorm of controversy from residents who displayed xenophobia, citing zoning issues with the 20,500 square foot facility. In the wake of the incident, Chaldean and Arab leaders in metro Detroit announced that they would be forming a coalition in an attempt to defuse tensions, calling it The Arab Chaldean Friendship Forum. The group included Osama Siblani, publisher of The Arab American News; Ali Jawad, founder of the Lebanese American Heritage Club; Auday Arabo, president of the Associated Food and Petroleum Dealers and John Oram, a leader in the Chaldean community. However, the formation of the group stalled after the leaders didn’t follow up on some issues during the planning phases. Furthermore, Arabo made remarks during a speech at the Arab American and Chaldean Council (ACC) dinner in October that some Muslim leaders felt were divisive. Arabo opened an award acceptance speech reciting a Christian prayer; adding that if he were to do that in many parts of the Middle East he would be "beheaded, shot in the head or crucified." Jawad told The Arab American News that there was a misunderstanding during the formation of the group and that communication had stalled. "Some people felt what he [Arabo] said was offensive," Jawad said. "And since then, I think there has been a misunderstanding. I think he is a great leader. He has done a great job with the AFPD, making it the greatest it can be. We should get the group back together for the benefit of the communities." CAIR-MI Executive Director Dawud Walid, who was also part of the coalition, said he learned there was a division in the Chaldean community over the perception of Muslims. He said a large number of Iraqi Christians who have recently settled in Sterling Heights are from the Assyrian community and have differing views than Chaldeans who have lived in the U.S. for decades. "The division has to do between religious denominations in Christianity and the length of time people lived in America," Walid said. "The coalition had good intentions, but all the people who should have been meeting with us weren’t there. Those are newer immigrants who are Assyrian, who were behind the Islamophobia that took place in Sterling Heights." Chaldean leader Nathan Kalasho also acknowledged troubling times between the Chaldean and Arab communities in metro Detroit. He said in order to continue co-existing together peacefully, both communities need to open an avenue of dialogue. "I'm a strong believer in communication," Kalasho said. "I feel that communicating properly and directly could prevent 99 percent of problems. This is no different. Chaldeans and Muslims in metro Detroit are going nowhere, so it's incumbent upon both communities to work towards strengthening ties, rather than incite fear or hate. How can we achieve lasting peace in the Middle East, when we can't even achieve it here? It's foolish to think the communities can be isolated or disassociated from one another. No, let's talk." C O M M E N T S 28 comments Edwin Cannon • 9 months ago Executive Director of CAIR-Michigan, Dawud Walid, protests "Boycott Bigotry" then points a finger at Assyrians for being behind all the Islamophobia in Sterling Heights?... Hypocrite much? 1 • Reply • Share › Avatar Nibras Manna Edwin Cannon • 8 months ago Pretty much. • Reply • Share › Avatar Anjasha Freed • 8 months ago I guess the Chaldeans have refused to be dhimmis here in the United States and CAIR is disgruntled. To me, this is an excellent reminder of the supremacist attitude imbued in Muslims. Thanks to the Chaldeans for standing firm. You will not institute the Pact of Omar here, Muslims. Here is the Pact of Omar, a document for subduing non-Muslims ruled by Muslims. Read it carefully, non-Muslims. "We made a condition on ourselves that we will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church, or a sanctuary for a monk, nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration, nor use any of them for the purpose of enmity against Muslims. We will not prevent any Muslim from resting in our churches whether they come by day or night, and we will open the doors [of our houses of worship] for the wayfarer and passer-by. Those Muslims who come as guests, will enjoy boarding and food for three days. We will not allow a spy against Muslims into our churches and homes or hide deceit [or betrayal] against Muslims. We will not teach our children the Qur’an, publicise practices of Shirk, invite anyone to Shirk [i.e. proselytise for Christianity] or prevent any of our fellows from embracing Islam, if they choose to do so. We will respect Muslims, move from the places we sit in if they choose to sit in them. We will not imitate their clothing, caps, turbans, sandals, hairstyles, speech, nicknames and title names, or ride on saddles, hang swords on the shoulders, collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons. We will not encrypt our stamps in Arabic, or sell liquor. We will have the front of our hair cut, wear our customary clothes wherever we are, wear belts around our waist, refrain from erecting crosses on the outside of our churches and demonstrating them and our books in public in Muslim fairways and markets. We will not sound the bells in our churches, except discretely, or raise our voices while reciting our holy books inside our churches in the presence of Muslims, nor raise our voices [with prayer] at our funerals, or light torches in funeral processions in the fairways of Muslims, or their markets. We will not bury our dead next to Muslim dead, or buy servants who were captured by Muslims. We will be guides for Muslims and refrain from breaching their privacy in their homes.’ When I gave this document to `Umar, he added to it, ‘We will not beat any Muslim.’ These are the conditions that we [the Christians] set against ourselves and followers of our religion in return for safety and protection. If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit against ourselves, then our Dhimmah [promise of protection] is broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.”’ • Reply • Share › Avatar Myron Gainez Anjasha Freed • 8 months ago Chaldeans want a Christian theocracy in America which is why they support Ted Cruz and view Anders Breivik as a hero for defending Middle Eastern Christianity against Muslims. • Reply • Share › Avatar Nibras Manna • 8 months ago Arabo opened an award acceptance speech reciting a Christian prayer; adding that if he were to do that in many parts of the Middle East he would be "beheaded, shot in the head or crucified." ....... How is that offensive? That's the truth happening daily in the Muslim world.... • Reply • Share › Avatar Myron Gainez Nibras Manna • 8 months ago How come no Chaldeans or Assyrians apologized when their big anti-Muslim fanboy killed children at a youth camp in Norway 5 years ago? Breivik killed the children which included Muslims to defend European Christendom, and to defend Middle Eastern Christianity. Proud of having blood of Norwegian kids on your hands while claiming Christianity is peaceful? • Reply • Share › Avatar Nibras Manna Myron Gainez • 8 months ago Breivik wasn't Chaldean. What makes you think Chaldeans should apologize for the actions of a Norwegian terrorist? • Reply • Share › − Avatar Myron Gainez Nibras Manna • 8 months ago Keyword being "fanboy", chump. Didn't say he was Chaldean, now did I? And given the fact that Chaldeans have no problem supporting illegal wars such as the Iraq invasion and still demand a full-scale Crusade against Muslims utilizing American troops while they cowardly sit on the sidelines comfortably, it's not surprising that Chaldeans would aspire to be like Breivik. After all, he did murder a few Muslim kids in Utoya, shouldn't that satisfy the bloodlust of the Catholic Chaldeans somehow? Many Chaldeans praise anti-Muslim fascists and don't care if they rape Muslim women like in Bosnia so perhaps they should apologize for the actions of their beloved anti-Muslim Crusader for his horrific crimes against humanity. Nibras Manna Myron Gainez • 8 months ago You really need to educate yourself about Chaldeans. They are the victims of Muslim violence coming from both Sunnis and Shiites In Iraq. They never waged war against anyone and they are the most peaceful portion of the Iraqi population. They are forced to leave their homeland and given 3 options to choose from: 1. Convert to Islam 2. Pay Jizya (monthly payment to stay alive) 3. Leave or get killed. Unless you've been living under a rock during the past few years, you would've heard of this. I'd suggest going to YouTube and searching for "Iraqi Christians" so you learn a little bit about their persecution. • Reply • Share › Avatar Myron Gainez Nibras Manna • 8 months ago I don't need to go on YouTube for information. And yes, Chaldeans are indeed persecuted and suffered a lot, trust me I know this all too well. But the amount of hatred that Chaldeans indulge in and their attempts to kiss ass to white supremacist groups who would otherwise attack them for looking Hispanic or Arab is not the proper way to fight against oppression. Look, what does an Indonesian Muslim or someone from Bosnia have to do with what Chaldeans went through? Should they have to put up with the BS that your oppressors did to your people? Do you see Bosnian Muslims, who had their women gang-raped by your "Christian" brothers during the war, taking their anger out on OTHER Christians for what they have went through? Obviously not. Just like how your Serb brethren tried to wipe out Bosnian Muslims in the 1990s, Da'esh/ISIS is doing the same to not only Christians but to Yezidis, Sufis, and Shi'as in the country. When you have fascist people like Anders Breivik professing to speak on behalf of Chaldean and ME Christian suffering, maybe your people should speak out more before you let fascists hijack your cause and use it for their own nefarious agenda. And unfortunately, I see lots of Chaldeans and Assyrians who endorse and support Breivik's actions as payback for what Iraqi Muslims did to them, and were especially jubilant when Breivik shot dead Muslim kids, which one of them was an 18 year old Iraqi Kurdish girl whose family fled from Saddam's brutality in 1991. • Reply • Share › Avatar Nibras Manna Myron Gainez • 8 months ago I don't get why you keep referring to a crazy terrorist and imply that Chaldeans are to blame. Breivik is a crazy terrorist and I don't think any sane human being would endorse his behavior. I wish you would remove all biases from your head and zoom out and look at the situation in the middle east from far away... why do you think the Christian population is going towards extinction in the Muslim world in general? ISIS isn't the only one persecuting Christians... • Reply • Share › Avatar Myron Gainez Nibras Manna • 8 months ago You're right, Da'esh/ISIS aren't the only ones persecuting Christians. Hindu fundamentalists in India are also doing a despicable job persecuting Christians, and same with hardline Buddhists in Sri Lanka, but hey, since they also hate Muslims and share the same disdain towards Muslims as Chaldeans do, they get a free pass, right? This is less about persecution of Christians and more to do with settling scores with Muslims. As if a Muslim from Bosnia or Indonesia should pay the price for what IRAQI Muslims did to your people, idiot. • Reply • Share › Avatar Myron Gainez Nibras Manna • 8 months ago Not a single Chaldean has the balls to serve in the military yet they are so eager to send other people to die for their axe to grind against Muslims by instigating another Crusade, a la Anders Breivik. • Reply • Share › Avatar Myron Gainez Nibras Manna • 8 months ago I hardly doubt Copts will somehow go extinct in Egypt. Do you know anything about the Muslim world outside of Arab countries? Here's a hint smart tard: majority of the Muslim world does NOT speak Arabic. If Chaldeans don't want to be associated with an anti-Muslim fascist, perhaps they should stop incriminating the entire Muslim world and utilizing his talking points to justify their hatred towards Muslims, numb nuts. • Reply • Share › Avatar Nibras Manna Myron Gainez • 8 months ago As for the Copts, I suggest you read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and see how the same game is being played in Egypt this time... • Reply • Share › Avatar Myron Gainez Nibras Manna • 8 months ago There are millions of Copts in Egypt, if there was a genocide their numbers would be decreasing you idiot. And nice of you to not address the other points of my post. You Chaldean asshats think by regurgitating right wing talking points you will somehow be in cahoots with the white majority. Newsflash dingus: you're NOT white and Chaldeans would be just as despised as Mexicans are, so your Christian faith won't save you from that. • Reply • Share › Avatar Nibras Manna Myron Gainez • 8 months ago Can you please enlighten me on these verses: http://quran.com/2/191 and http://quran.com/9/29 • Reply • Share › Avatar Myron Gainez Nibras Manna • 8 months ago Do you want me pull similar verses from your fucking Bible? I don't fucking care what the Quran and the Bible say, you imbecile. • Reply • Share › Avatar Nibras Manna Myron Gainez • 8 months ago 99.9% of the Christian world learned to ignore the tiny amount of violent verses in their scriptures. This is not the case with the Muslim world today. If you notice that any Muslim country that becomes religious, they immediately turn violent. If they go secular, they prosper. Iraq is a prime example of this. It was prosperous when it was secular... it turned into hell when Islam ruled the government... Same thing happened in Europe... • Reply • Share › Avatar Myron Gainez Nibras Manna • 8 months ago You obviously don't have an Anglo name, and yet you somehow think your Christian faith will help you win points with the right-wing? Mexicans are Catholics yet Republicans still see them as wetbacks and rapists, what makes you think they won't turn against your kind? Chaldeans simply want war against Muslims because of what a minority did to them, and you claim you don't support Breivik? Yet you support his worldview of how Muslims are evil and deserve to be killed off. I asked you before and I'll ask this again: are you proud of what Serbs did to Bosnian Muslims in the 90s, such as hosting rape camps, razing villages, and committing unspeakable atrocities against Muslim children? In spite of what Serbs did to Croat Catholics earlier in the war, you willing to ignore that to cheer what they did to your Muslim enemies? • Reply • Share › Avatar Nibras Manna Myron Gainez • 8 months ago I am not against Muslims as people and will never support any actions against them. I however am against Islam as a set of ideas since it is used by extremists for violence. I am of course against what happened to Muslims in Bosnia or anywhere in the world. Violence in the name of God is the problem... weather it happens in Bosnia or Iraq or anywhere else. • Reply • Share › Avatar Myron Gainez Nibras Manna • 8 months ago Any set of ideas can be used by extremists for violence, including your beloved Christianity, as we saw in Bosnia 2 decades ago and what we are seeing with the rise of the far-right nut jobs in America. Since you said that when a Muslim country turns religious, it regresses... so do you agree with the same for a majority Christian country that turns religious? After all America is heading in that direction with the amount of people who freak out over teaching evolution and climate change, including the anti-Muslim candidates Chaldo morons support...while claiming to be secular LOL • Reply • Share › − Avatar Nibras Manna Myron Gainez • 8 months ago If you noticed in my earlier comment, I said "Same thing happened in Europe..."... Europe was in the dark ages when it was religious... it prospered when it embraced secularism... Myron Gainez Nibras Manna • 8 months ago And if you think hating Muslims will win you brownie points, take a good look at this guy: https://www.rawstory.com/2016/... • Reply • Share › Avatar Myron Gainez Nibras Manna • 8 months ago So why are Chaldeans flocking to Republican candidates who do NOT embrace secularism like Ben Carson or Ted Cruz? Oh wait they hate Muslims they get a free pass on having backward views as long as they strike into the hearts of those Muslim invaders, right? • Reply • Share › Avatar Myron Gainez Nibras Manna • 8 months ago LOL @ 99.9%, shut up you moron. You see patriot militias and white trash idiots shooting up abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood offices and you're telling me 99.9% ignore the "tiny" amount of violent verses. Face it, Christians are just as blood-thirsty as your Muslim enemies tend to be. Anders Breivik and his anti-Muslim fascist supporters like you have proven it time and again. Chaldeans talk about how secular they are yet here they are voting for Ted Cruz and Rick Santorum. They will support any anti-choice and anti-secular Republican candidate as long as they keep carpet bombing Muslim countries. What a joke you are, and a dishonest hack on top of it. • Reply • Share › − Avatar Nibras Manna Myron Gainez • 8 months ago Donald Trump all the way ;) • Reply • Share › Avatar Myron Gainez Nibras Manna • 8 months ago Nothing but an Uncle Tom. Why don't you change your name to something more Anglican? --------------------- - BACK TO INDEX - REPLY - QUOTE - EDIT - DELETE -

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