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Christian Leaders Unhappy with Lack of Action on Nineveh Plain

[Note: Timmerman has just returned from a fact-finding mission to northern Iraq, where he met with secular Christian and church leaders. His just-released book, St. Peter’s Bones, is a novel based on the story of the persecuted church in Iraq. For more, see www.kentimmerman.com]

Main street through Bartella, in the Nineveh Plain.

Christians in northern Iraq are suffering day-to-day harassment from the Kurdish occupation forces in the Nineveh plain, where corruption, a lack of development funds and the continued political stalemate have led many Christians to flee the country for exile abroad.

...all Iraqis are suffering daily killings by foreign Christian forces and have been for 8 years now, before which they suffered the death by starvation of their babies, also thanks to Christians...they too suffer from the daily corruption of the American-puppet regime imposed on Iraq, as by the so-called constitution authored by Paul Bremmer....and your point is...?

The main Christian political parties in Iraq formed a “Minorities Council” after the Oct. 31, 2010 attack on Our Lady of Salvation church in Baghdad that killed 58 Christian worshippers and wounded 98 more, joining with representatives of the Yazidi and Shabak communities in the Nineveh Plain.

...the main Christian coalition forces have been attacking Iraq for over adecade, based on what we all now know were lies....what are you trying to say? Do you sympathize with all you are suffering under this illegal war or only with the local fellow-Christian members of the religion that is bringing this war?

Last month, they officially requested that the Nineveh Plain be allowed to form a separate province, or governerate, under the terms of the Iraqi Constitution. So far, no action has been taken on their request, and Christians throughout the north fear that until they are allowed to control their own lives they will continue to be the victims of jihadi Muslim gangs and other terrorist groups.

....Christians have never been able to organize their own lives unless someone first pulls their teeth...Muslims too would like an end to the illegal occupation and the puppet regime....who is controlling their own lives in Iraq now?

The Nineveh Plain has been in an administrative limbo since 2004. It officially falls under the authority of Mosul, capital of the Nineveh Governorate, but is occupied by the security forces of the Kurdish Regional Government in Erbil.

...and the entire country is occupied by Coalition Christian forces...so? Do you only object to some kinds of occupation but go begging to other Occupiers?

A plan backed by the Religious Freedom Coalition and by the U.S. military to train 770 Christian, Yazidi and Shabak police officers to replace the KRG security forces was thwarted by the deputy governor of Mosul, Khosrow Goran, who is a top member of the Kurdish Democratic Party (KDP). Under KDP leadership, the Kurds have been trying to finalize their de facto annexation of the ancestral Christian homeland.

..if you WANT to see more "martyrs", as you no doubt do because it would be good for sales, you'd want 700 armed Christians, armed and supported and paid for by the foreign Christian forces killing Muslims for a decade now...because that's what you'll get...only a fool, or Christian author, would now want armed local Christians walking around...the Levies all over again...and we saw where that led.

The administrative limbo has had the concrete effect of stalling any form of development aid for the region. After the heavy winter rains, major streets in Bartella, a key crossroads in the Nineveh Plain, are mired in nearly a foot of mud, with a broken sewer system unable to handle the flow.

Iraq has been mired in poverty, mud, sewage, blackouts, no jobs and much more for 17 years now...did you expect the local Christians would have fared any better?

The single most urgent demand of all secular Christian leaders I met with in northern Iraq last week was the removal of the Kurdish security forces and peshmerga from the Nineveh Plain and their replacement by Iraqi government forces, to create a less tense atmosphere as negotiations over the future status of the region continue.

...wait a minute. Weren't you crying about Iraqi army "persecution" a few years ago? Now you want them back? Wasn't the no-fly zone instituted by America which resulted in Qurdish control of the north what GAVE you that safe haven?

The KDP has reportedly dug 7 illegal oil wells in the Nineveh Plain. Local Mayors who have tried to deny access to land under their juristiction to KDP geologists and drilling crews have been warned at gunpoint by Kurdish security forces to stand down.

..the United States has, not reportedly, but ACTUALLY caused the death by starvation of 700,000 Iraqi babies, at least 30,00 of whom were Christian babies...Iraqis have been denied access to their LIVES...isn't that worth a word or two of censure from your Christian mouths?

“Christians are the meat in the sandwich between the Arabs and the Kurds,” said the mayor of Tel Keif, Basim Bello. Instead, he said that Christians wanted the Nineveh Plain to become a kind of “green line” between the two warring ethnic groups, which are disputing the oil-rich cities of Kirkuk and Mosul (and the potential oil reserves of the Nineveh Plain itself).

...great idea for future sales...stick Christians BETWEEN WARRING MUSLIM FACTIONS!!! Jeez...why didn't I think of that!!??

“We have problems with some church leaders,” Bello told me. “They say if the Nineveh Plain becomes a province, our churches in Baghdad, Mosul and Basra will become museums. But they are museums now! Most churches in Baghdad now have just tens of people, whereas they used to be full. There used to be 600,000 Christians in Baghdad. Today, at most 100,000 remain.”

...and you can thank Christians for that...your fellow Christians who brought this war of death and destruction and exile to Iraq...as you say, all those Christians ONCE lived in peace in Iraq, protected by that same Iraqi army you now admit to favor...you have only yourselves to blame for your condition...as always.

Community leaders in Karakosh, the administrative capital of the region, have petitioned Baghdad to build their own hospital and university, so they don’t have to drive hours into Erbil or make the potentially dangerous trip into nearby Mosul, where jihadi Muslim gangs lie in wait and continue to murder Christians on a regular basis.

...as Christian soldiers have lain in wait for a decade to attack and murder Iraqis going to hospital...that is if they could any the Christians hadn't already flattened.

Archbishop Mosul and Ken Timmerman

They received strong support from the Archbishop of Mosul, Msg. Emil Shimoun Nona, who told me at the end of the three-day Rogation of the Ninevites ceremony that he felt it was vital for the survival of the Christian community in the north to have their own institutions.

...it is vital for them to GET OUT....if they can't take a hint they will be sent packing as soon as the American leave...Christians have become unwelcome because of what Christians have done!

“We need our own schools, our own hospital,” Nona said. He urged groups with influence in Congress to talk to members of Congress to get them to apply pressure on Baghdad to allow these projects to go forward. “The U.S. Congress can do a lot,” he said.

...doubt it...their interests were in starting this war....and it ends right there, except for some PR as they leave.

Louis Ayoub, who represents the Hammurabi Human Rights Organization in the Nineveh Plain, is spearheading the effort to build the hospital and university in Karakosh. “We already have the land for the hospital and have the design plans for the university,” he told me. “Now we are waiting for government approvals so we can seek the funding.”

..if you think any Christians are going to benefit in ANY way from the disaster this Christian war has brought to Iraq...you haven't been listening or watching.

Some money for these projects could be available through the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID).

Massive unemployment, a lack of adequate housing, and a corrupt administration that local mayors told me siphons of half of their public works budgets, has created a climate of despair among Christians in the Nineveh Plain.

...as among Muslims,, but this climate was BROUGHT to Iraq by Christians...and Iraqis all know that.

The U.S. needs urgently to pressure the Maliki government to take action on the demands of the Minorities Council before more Christians flee Iraq.

..I think the United States has exerted enough "pressure" on the Iraqi people.

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