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Israeli Feminists Debate Rape Charge Arab Man Who Posed As Jewish Has Been Convicted By Daniella Cheslow Published July 28, 2010, issue of August 06, 2010. Jerusalem — Feminist groups in Israel find themselves divided over a recent court ruling on rape that liberal groups condemn as tainted with racism. ‘Rape By Deception’: Sabbar Kashur, a 30-year-old Arab man introduced himself as ‘Dudu,’ a common Jewish-Israeli name. In the July 19 ruling, a married Arab father of two was found guilty of “rape-by-deception” for having sexual intercourse with a Jewish woman after introducing himself as a Jewish bachelor. He was sentenced to 18 months in prison. Even as others in Israel’s community of progressive activists hastened to denounce the sentence, Merav Mor, a spokeswoman for the Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel, told Al-Jazeera International that she saw no trace of racism in the case. “This was purely a case of a man giving false information in order to fraudulently coerce a woman into a sexual relationship,” Mor said. “This has absolutely nothing to do with the Arab situation in Israel.” Mor is not alone. “This is rape because it wasn’t informed consent,” said Nurit Tsur, executive director of the Israel Women’s Network. “She has the right to decide with whom she is having a one-night stand. If she was going into bed with him after five minutes and didn’t ask, then she has no case. But if she asked, and he lied, then it is rape.” The case, Tsur conceded, “has a touch of racism,” but ultimately, she said, the verdict was right. The Israel Women’s Network and the Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel are both funded by the American-based New Israel Fund, a group whose grantees are often perceived as sharing a uniformly liberal political outlook. But among feminist groups — NIF funded or otherwise — reaction was anything but uniform in the wake of this verdict. The convicted man, a 30-year-old Arab resident of East Jerusalem named Sabbar Kashur, was convicted of rape for lying to a woman he met in a downtown Jerusalem convenience store. He introduced himself as Dudu, a common name for Jewish Israelis, and said he was single. The woman testified that she told him she was looking for a Jewish man with whom she could have a long-term relationship. The couple went into a nearby building and made love on the roof. Later, the woman filed a police complaint for rape. The Jerusalem District Court ruled that although Kashur didn’t rape her by the classic definition of the word, he is guilty of “rape by deception,” because the woman would not have slept with him had she known his true identity. “The court is obliged to protect the public interest from sophisticated, smooth-tongued criminals who can deceive innocent victims at an unbearable price — the sanctity of their bodies and souls,” Judge Zvi Segal wrote. “It smells of racism,” said Ronit Ehrenfreund-Cohen, the Women’s International Zionist Organization’s director of the division for advancing the status of women, based in Tel Aviv. Slava Greenberg, 26, a feminist activist from Haifa, said the case also discredits women. “We fight for women, and that sexual offenders should go to jail, but this is a cheapening [of rape],” she told the Forward. “Already, people say, ‘Oh, women call everything rape.’ It’s not that there aren’t enough sexual attackers who are actually attackers, period. But there are all sorts of fears here of Arabs.” Kashur’s case has even caused splits within organizations. ARCCI is the umbrella group for nine crisis centers nationwide and operates a 24-hour hot line. But while Mor defended the sentence, the head of the group that runs an ARCCI affiliated crisis center in the Arab city of Nazareth found it “impossible not to ask questions in this case.” “To give legitimacy to racist foundations and to see that racism get into the legal system — this is a very worrying and infuriating issue,” said Aida Touma-Sliman, who also heads the Israeli group Women Against Violence, based in Nazareth. This isn’t the first time Israeli courts have invoked rape by deception. In 2008, High Court Judge Elyakim Rubinstein convicted Zvi Sleiman of the same offense for impersonating a high-ranking official in the Ministry of Housing. Sleiman seduced women with promises of free apartments and higher welfare payments. His case was a precedent; before it, men who lied their way into bed were convicted of fraud, such as a man posing as a neurosurgeon. American legal blogger Eugene Volokh, a professor of constitutional law at University of California, Los Angeles, noted that “rape by deception” is a rare charge in the United States, other than a case in Tennessee in which a doctor was accused of rape for masturbating a patient under the guise of normal medical procedure. But in Israel there is a broader context relating to the case’s alleged racial dimension. Kashur’s verdict arrives in the wake of a rash of initiatives — many of them government funded — aimed at keeping Arab men away from Jewish women. In February, the Tel Aviv Municipality launched a hotline for women involved with Arab men, with funding from the Ministry of Welfare in conjunction with the Ministry of Immigrant Absorption. In September, Petah Tikvah, a city about 20 minutes to the northeast, bankrolled a special patrol to break up mixed couples. In the Jerusalem neighborhood of Pisgat Ze’ev, over the Green Line, vigilantes also drive to known couples’ spots to end budding romances between Arab men and Jewish women. After the verdict was handed down, liberal Haaretz columnist Gideon Levy wrote about the court: “Don’t they realize that their verdict has the uncomfortable smell of racial purity, of ‘don’t touch our daughters’?” he wrote. Dorit Abramovitch campaigns with several feminist organizations in Israel. Today there are more than 90, both Jewish and Arab, and they don’t always share one view, she said. “The national-racial wall exists unconsciously and consciously within the feminist field,” she said. Yet, within Israel’s feminist movement there is also the beginning of a dialogue between Jews and Arabs about their differences. Two years ago, a national feminist conference was held for the first time in Arab Nazareth. Speeches were translated into Hebrew and Arabic, and participation was about 50-50 Jewish and Arab. Since then, Abramovitch said, Arab women have become more vocal on the common e-mail list of all the feminist groups. “A very large percentage of Jewish feminist organizations have at least one project dealing with Arab women,” she said. “Some of them have at least one Arab employee. It’s quite new.” Since he was first accused in 2008, Kashur has been under house arrest at his mother-in-law’s home. Kashur’s lawyer, Adnan Aladdin, told CNN he would appeal. Tsur said Kashur’s case was “revolutionary.” “What will be interesting is what are consequences for future cases when someone says he is a bachelor when he is married if he is not an Arab,” she said. “Every day, women and men lie to their partners about their marital status. I think this will be very long reaching.” Contact Daniella Cheslow at feedback@forward.com Read more: http://www.forward.com/articles/129692/#ixzz1AgfweLaS Rashad wrote: >So much for their "democracy" and "freedom". This of course nothing more than media propaganda when they say that America's support for Israel is because they are a democracy. There is something else to it and a lot of money involved or financial gains I should say. I remember hearing it since I was a child that there will never be peace over there because they have been fighting for "thousands of years". This was the usual claim and it always comes from Christians, fanatical Christians on top of it. It only takes a little reading to realize that the only people that have been fighting and killing are Christians against Jews. The dilemma between Muslims and Jews didn't start until recent decades because of what was done after 1948 and ever since. > >The creation and actions of Israel has made things worse for Jews globally than make them safe. Is this really independence and safety when there is constant fighting and another people are living surrounded by fences nearby? This has only increased hatred for Jews rather than help or make them better. It used to be KKK, Nazis, Communists, Black Panthers and other groups who had stereotype about Jews, greed and rule, but it is now shared by ordinary people around the world. I hear it from Arabs, Blacks, Whites, and I see it from South America, Europe, ,Middle east, etc. People have this belief or concept that Jews are running things and own America because it appears that way. The United States has done a good job portraying it that way and gaining worldwide hatred for Jews. > >Most Jews had no intention to move to the Middle East after the holocaust but it was the design and plan of the Zionist/Christian alliance to do this. They have used the holocaust as their excuse and cover up to commit one against another innocent people. I agree 100% with Ahmedinijad when he asks why the Palestinians have to pay for this event? I also like how my homie Hugo Chavez responded to Larry King during his interview. Larry King already had interviewed Ahmedinjad and he made clear his position against Jews. It still wasn't enough in the eyes of Larry so he asked Hugo if he believed in the holocaust and the response was "of course, but so there was a genocide against the Natives of Americas by Spanish and Europeans". He also had the guts to say that Israel is also committing a genocide against Palestinians which it is. > >Of course no bigoted Westerner, especially American professional, will admit this except for a very few, but it is true. One should not be shy to refer to what Israel is doing as "occupation" and genocide because it is what it is. We boast about free speech and how it doesn't exist in the Middle East yet we have people be thrown in jails, losing jobs and experiencing other problems for simply speaking their mind on certain issues. I compare the usage of the > holocaust no different from how Americans use 9/11 and especially when it first happened. One couldn't even speak or open his mouth without hearing 9/11 as the justification and then Bush got on TV and arrogantly said "you either with us or with the terrorists". I am sure Hitler was also using similar words to those who disagreed or had another position. > >The Quran claims that the Pharaoh was the worse and most brutal man on earth but I can only laugh. Maybe he was in his age or at that time but I say that some of these Western leaders and individuals will make Pharaoh look like a kindergarten child. In fact, I see America as a Pharaoh and I must take my hat off to those who must struggle and stand up to this tyrant. We don't even know half the stories or what else they ahve done that is kept secret but we know enough to make just be in shock. From the assassination of its own presidents, to the scandals, and conspiracies, even killing its own to achieve something is very outrageous. They would say Saddam was bad and threw men in jails for not doing their military service but America has thrown people in jails, is spying on its own citizens, wiring people's phones, treating citizens like terrorists and doing everything to intimidate their own. > >The Iranian president nor Saddam did those things and the latter actually kept the country and people safe. The US is perhaps the most dangerous country in the world and Iraq never was until recently. There is something I remember learning from an African American Muslim when I used to go to the mosque and he said that the one whom the media says is bad and crazy is most likely the opposite and whoever they say is good we should be cautious of. I see this more than ever and it is whoever they talk badly of that I should follow and not who they think. After all, look at how the real crazy people are treated in the West. They have their own TV shows on CNN, FOX etc while there are people who have been labeled "crazy" by the media who are the opposite. > >I remember watching a CNN interview on the Wolf Blitzer show with David Duke. Before it began, David was introduced as a "former KKK leader" and that was used more than 11 times before the actual interview. I like how he chewed him out and rebuked him for constantly mentioning something that was over 30 years ago when the man was a teenager. He also called Blitzer an extremist Jew and that he is. For the longest I believed that people like Louis Farrakhan or David Duke were racists but later came to find out who real racists are and who the liars are. --------------------- - BACK TO INDEX - REPLY - QUOTE - EDIT - DELETE -

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