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Dr Joseph's Service To Our Community

Posted by pancho (Guest) - Wednesday, October 24 2007, 20:23:33 (CEST) from 71.116.101.196 - pool-71-116-101-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net Network - Windows XP - Internet Explorer Website: Website title:

I always knew, growing up, that there was something terribly wrong and wrong-headed about the notion that Christianity "saved" Assyrians...and that we were, therefore, the direct descendants of the ancients. Doesn't make sense any way you cut it...not logically and not historically either. But there was no source for any evidence or reasoning to back this feeling. At the same time it was clear by their behavior that these alleged assyrians were nothing more than battling Christian sects doing what they were doing 1,400 years ago when the Arabs came i.e. fighting among themsleves over Jesus...and disturbing the civil peace, until the Arabs told them all to live and let live and forbade them from putting each other's eyes out. Also their claims to being persecuted and being forcibly converted to Islam just didn't wash...not even Christian historians list any such incidents...except the few which can be traced directly to putting down rebellion or exacting revenge for treachery...which has nothing to do with the Christian religion except when that religion causes Christians to take sides against their Muslim neighbors and countrymen...but never "just" because of the religion. I began challenging this notion well before I read Dr Joseph's books...but not coherently or consistently, as he reminded me of a discussion he and I had, totally forgotten by me, at the time we began the Ashurbanipal Monument project...he tried then, gently, to tell me there was no such thing as modern Assyrians but only Christians who'd recently come to believe they were, and were using that to gain some benefit for their religion...at great cost, I might add. He says I politely disagreed and went on my way...in fact he said it bothered him all these years to think he may have been too harsh with an idealistic sculptor etc. It wasn't until reading his book and having the evidence and, for once, a reasoned argument, laid out intelligibly that I had some facts to go on...that and reading Dr Durant who, in a few of his volumes, exposed just what really happened between Muslims and Christians and the meddling of the Europeans which, then as now, has brought so much suffering to that region...suffering these assyrians have tried to capitalize on, shamefully. The best thing that can happen to the Christians of Iraq, in particular, is that the claim that we are direct descendants of the ancients and therefore have "legitimate rights"..and even separate rights, to Iraq be ended once and for all. It's not like we have to convince Iraqis or any Muslims in the Middle East...they all know the truth...but so long as those of us in the West keep yelling and screaming about Muslim "abuse" and "persecution"...against Christians, double damned because they are assyrian too....we're going to see the Christians of Iraq decline further and further. It's our own responsibility to see to it that word gets out that we, ourselves, condemn this nonsensical claim...because it can lead to nothing good for the Christians of Iraq...as it never has...and never will. The sad and disgusting truth is that to these christo-nationalists, it doesn't matter if anything good ever comes of their claims....for they see great benefit and "good" from the destruction of Islam, Muslims, their familes and homes...and indeed this mindless claim of theirs, which will never get them a Christian enclave/nation, only serves to make things worse...by marking the Christians of Iraq as part and parcel of the claims made from Turlock and Chicago and Sydney on "their" behalf...leaving them open to retaliation as the nearest Christians at hand. If the claim to direct assyrian descent can be exposed for what it is...as is so easy to do if you can nail these nationalists in place long enough to undress them...if reasonable people and not just Christian fanatics, who take up this cry because it allows them one more bit of ammunition against "Evil" Islam...if we can show them to the public, the people making this claim would be hard pressed to carry on...because they can't withstand any serious challenge...and the public would see them wilt and wither and retreat(or, better yet, rant and rave like Magpie) when all their "proves" fall flat when they come up against those true scholars the general public respects and believes...and you know how these delicate heroes of ours hate looking like the fools they are, in public. On that day they'll do what they do on their forums: run inside and close the door. So far they've gotten a free ride from the general public because no one's stepped up to counter their claims...but that won't last. Not if I can help it...it is imperative, if you really care about the Christians of Iraq and not merely seek to exploit them, that this claim be dumped where it belongs. I don't care about the Christians of Iraq because they're Christian...hell no. But before they were manipulated into Christ they were born people...just people. And that makes their plight universal...it turns out that their real "enemy" is not Islam...it isn't even the teachings of Jesus...rather it's the institution of Christianity Inc. And the Human Race would be better off if that institution went broke...without dragging down with it so many more innocent people... Someone who truly feels kinship with the best of the ancients would strive to expose this double-fraud....for these people are neither Assyrian nor Christian. A "real" Assyrian will work to unmask those who use the good name of the ancients to excuse their racism and bigotry. And that's what Dr John Joseph is...a real descendant, in essence and soul, but not DNA, of the ancient people of BetNahrain. --------------------- - BACK TO INDEX - REPLY - QUOTE - EDIT - DELETE -

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