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Matay...over here!!!!!
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Friday, April 27 2007, 6:55:21 (CEST)
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pancho wrote:
>...this is a letter we received in response to some questions Matay...
>
>note: I have indicated Matay's points.
>
>
>Dr Joseph writes:
>
>
>To save time I've made a few comments within the text below and have
>highlighted them within square brackets. I simply have no time nor
>the desire to repeat myself to our nationalists again and again. If
>the writer of the comments below has carefully read my book, as he
>claims he does, then he knows what I have said on the points he
>raises. Let him comment on what he disagrees with and why. I HAVE
>addressed the issues that he raises.
>
>Let me now briefly respond to a few other comments raised below--
>within the text itself:
>
>Matay wrote: Prof. Yildiz published this article in an
>academic journal. It's in the same journal where
>Dr Joseph wrote many articles and commentaries.
>It's the J.A.A.S.
>
>[[[[[[[[[ On the question of our Assyrian origin, JAAS is a
>magazine like ASSYRIAN STAR and a NINEVEH, WRITTEN BY AND FOR
>ASSYRIANS. I published a few articles there because the first editor
>of JAAS asked me to do it. If JAAS is an academic journal, let its
>present editor write and ask me to comment on Yildis's and
>Rollinger's articles; I will be glad to answer it for then it will
>reach all of its Assyrian subscribers. ]]]]]]]
>
> Matay wrote: Besides, he should not question
>the " academic" level of the article, but the
>contents. Besides, Prof. Yildiz is an assyrian
>and he teaches at the University of Salamanca our
>language and culture.
>
>[[[[[[ What has Professor Yaldiz published that was not addressed
>to an Assyrian audience? I do not know the answer to that question.
>]]]]]]]
>
>Matay wrote: He asks for the connection of todays assyrians
>and the ancient assyrians. If the name and term "
>Suraya" and " Assyrian" is identical even during
>(!) the assyrian empire, which he and the article
>of Dr. Rollinger agree on, then why does he wants
>my ancestors who were completely brainwashed by
>the churches and the religious christian culture
>to explain that they are not just Suraya (=
>Assyrian)
>
>[[[[[[[[ Quote me something from Rollinger that addresses itself to
>the modern Assyrians and ties them to the ancients by that name
>.]]]]]]]]]]]
>
>Matay wrote: but also descendants of the pagan
>assyrians who according to their new religion in
>the old testament were very evil in the eyes of
>their new God.
>If you have evidences of Kha B Nisan celebrations
>up till the 7th century a.d. of pagan assyrians
>in northern mesopotamia, if you have a King
>Senacherib with his son St. Behnam and daughter
>St. Sara in the 4th century a.d. who turned
>christian and left their pagan religion, if you
>have " Narsai, young king of the Assyrians" in
>the 3rd century a.d. .... why would i give them
>all the ethnicities in middle east ( persian,
>aramaean, median, ..) EXCEPT an assyrian one?
>
>I would recommend you the articles of Prof. Amir
>Harrak, a syriac-catholic from mosul and he knows
>himself and all the syriac-speaking christians as
>Assyrian.
>
>[[[[[[[ Please send me--or quote me from--the articles of Dr.
>Harrak that you are recommending. Refer to specific passages where
>he addresses the ancient Assyrian origin of the present-day
>Assyrians. I am not aware of any. ]]]]]]]]]
>
>He teaches Akkadian, Aramaic and
>Syriac at Toronto. He doesn't see any necessity
>to deny our linkage with the ancient Assyrians.
>If you are interested to learn more, i can send
>you some articles from Dr Harrak about the
>paganism among the " syriac speaking christians"
>.
>Matay wrote: Anyways, not only Fred Parhad has read Dr
>Joseph's book, but many other assyrians. We also
>read other professors books who also critisize
>the usage of the name Assyrian. We simply do not
>agree with everything he ( Dr Joseph) writes,
>especially the part where he completely denies
>any kind of ethnic connection with the ancient
>assyrians.
>
>[[[[[[[ Be more specific; what I have written is accepted by all
>experts who have SPECIFICALLY addressed the question of our
>relationship with the ancient Assyrians . None has criticized my
>book on that score. ]]]]]
>
>Matay wrote: Of course, everyone and especially a learned
>person like Dr Joseph, has the right to think
>different, and to defend his thoughts and ideas
>with all his knowledge and talents. I admire him
>for his courage as the only nestorian who denies
>his Assyrian roots. :-)
>
>However, in these days of political division,
>where external powers scatter us and divide us
>for their own interests, i personally would not
>deny nor exclude any linkage with the ancient
>Assyro-Babylonians. Not even for scientific or
>scholarly reason.
>
>[[[[[[[ That is why we are so isolated, if not laughed at.
>NOBODY--neither our friends nor our enemies--believes us on the
>question of our ancient Assyrian origin. They seem to know our
>history better than we do. I wanted us to know who we are; there is
>nothing in my book to be ashamed of. ]]]]]]]
>
>I have to commend Matay....I know this subject is dear to his heart and yet he maintains his self-respect and treats Dr Joseph with the respect and courtesy his position and achievements deserve....Matay shows how to disagree like a gentle person, while remaining passionate in his own beliefs....



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