The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

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My Response....
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Monday, November 5 2007, 22:47:47 (CET)
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This article couldn’t have come at a better time as we tussle over the existence of modern Assyrians. i'm willing to concede, for the sake of argument, that we really are lineal descendants and all the rest of it.

Either the man is stupider than even I thought or he has a hidden agenda…that being a contract on the lives of the remaining Christians of Iraq.

The article divides itself into three main sections.

1.Turkomens have papers the Kurds won’t credit.
2.The Kurds deny the existence of Assyrians.
3.What are we going to do about it.

As to official papers of any kind proving prior ownership, residence etc. That’s easy…Native Americans have even newer and more formal papers, signed by Congress and presidents and they can get nothing for them. We all know the Palestinians were removed to make an Israel and they can’t do anything about it either, except fight. The Kurds quite rightly feel that they fought for and won the right to as much territory as they can get…in the tradition of every other modern nation today, including all the usual bandits. In international law, where possession is 150% of the law, treaties, prior deeds, claims to indigenous status mean nothing at all…except trouble, if you persist, on a charge of sedition which is illegal everywhere in the world.

The Kurds, who have even more professors than we do, know damn well about the ancient Assyrians. This is the same bum charge that Aprim and others made against Saddam (who by the way was an Assyrian) and the “Arabs” of Iraq…and it’s simply not true. Obviously the Iraqis take great pride in their Assyrian heritage and that of everyone else from ancient times, including the great Islamic Empire they once ruled…it’s not the existence of the Assyrians that anyone denies, it’s that the Christians claiming to be the real and true descendants etc are in any way affiliated with the ancients…certainly in any way as to deserve “their” country…unless they can steal it…but asking for it is worse than silly….because it just pisses people off and annoys them too…besides which; what’s the likelihood of being able to keep something you haven’t the fortitude or guts or skills to take…but must have handed over to you? Not much and especially not in that region.

Our boys have always played this game; that since no one takes their modern claims to being lineal descendants seriously, outside of themselves, that means they’re also denying that Assyrians ever existed. This is silly in the extreme and just not true.

Then we have the whole indigenous argument. If you look at any contemporary map of the last 200 years you’ll see Kurdistan, right there…you won’t see Assyria. The United Nations, which is the one dispossessed people turn to, defines “indigenous” as any people inhabiting a region continuously for at least 400 years…a definition by which Americans are barely legal…but in the case of the Kurds makes them indigenous to Iraq…if that means anything. And I don’t think anyone wants to broker who comes first etc. So by recognized law and usage, the Kurds are indigenous…if you can get anyone to move them because you are more indigenous, go ahead.

Aprim and his ilk are at their old games again. We know that Assyrians lived in peace in Iraq for centuries…please don’t mention “persecution” or else you’ll have to find me a place and a people who never experienced any. The claim that Assyrians needed “saving” because the “Arabs” of Iraq were denying them their “rights and identity” comes from what I mentioned above; that since no one credits their claim to being directly related etc. it therefore means they’re being “denied” their identity…THEY may be denied a connection to the ancients, but no one is denying the identity of the ancients…which are the only Assyrians, as far as the government of Iraq, and now of Kurdistan is concerned.

Making these charges the last time, when Saddam was in power, only helped make things worse for Christians of Iraq…as we can see…and making them all over again against the Kurds, will still further deteriorate their desperate position while gaining them nothing. If the presence of the Christian United States, as the presence of the Christian British and Christian French before them, availed them nothing, then when this crop of attackers and occupiers and murderers leaves I don’t see any Iraqi willing to entertain the claims of an Aprim. If no one “gave” anything to the valiant Agha Poutrous and his men, who actually did fight and risk their necks on behalf of the foreign Christians who had the power then to “do something”, no one is going to give Aprim’s people anything for sitting on their butts making demands from San Jose.

There were crackdowns under Saddam against those who used their Assyrian heritage as a basis for claiming they are persecuted and denied their rights by “usurpers” and an “illegal” government that refuses to honor “indigenous” claims, exactly what the charge of sedition means…these people were not persecuted for their Christian faith or, lord help us, because they were Assyrians; they were PROsecuted…for breaking laws…as were the Native Americans in the 70s when they took action to get their indigenous lands back…you can’t ask for these things, it’s illegal if you persist…you can, however, fight for them and seize them…as the Kurds did. If Aprim would only make an army with himself in command and go over there and do as the Kurds, I’m sure in no time there will be an Assyria.

But he doesn’t do that. Instead he sits in California up to his ass in whipped cream and curses people for accepting Kurdish money…when they need food and shelter and peace to raise what’s left of their families. No doubt it’s very tempting to be the "Father of Your Country" from seven thousand miles away and issue directives and thumb your nose at people from a safe distance. Aprim claims it’s important for them to have an IDENTITY…even if it’s one in the cemetery. It isn’t the people he cares about, it’s validating his claim to the identity, IN THEIR FACES. The downtrodden Christians of Iraq, now Kurdistan, must refuse to cooperate, refuse Kurdish money, risk their already shattered lives some more by making demands from the center of the storm…and for what?

I have no doubt that if Kurds wanted to buy 100,000 copies of his books, he’d very quickly accept “dirty” Kurdish money. But poor and harrassedChristians in Iraq must not…they must wait on Kenna and Zowaa or some other leader, who will also talk promises when safely out of Iraq, to raise them ten cents, because that will be a pure and true Assyrian dime…hence they show themselves to be “real” Assyrians, even if their children can’t eat on that national dime.

No one has hindered the expression of pride in Assyrian identity in Iraq…no one. What they have dome is take action against those who use their claims as a basis for preaching sedition…and that’s mostly been confined to the villages where there are no real schools for Christians except those run by priests and the close proximity of incestuous social gatherings where the idea gets passed around and grumbled over; that they’re being denied “their indigenous rights”…

Iraq built monuments to its ancient past as well as refurbished its ruins etc. Iraqi experts wrote papers, lectured and traveled in Europe and elsewhere participating in conferences etc…at no time did any of them deny the existence of Assyrians…ever. And Aprim knows this. What he tries to do is accuse them of such a stupid thing , thinking he has damaged their honor and reputation, because they dare deny HIS claim to being the grandson of Ashurbanipal…as well they should. He’s welcome to do whatever he wants in the West to establish his identity etc…but when he reaches back into Iraq or spreads anger and distrust against the Christians back there because he insists they are being “persecuted”, then he goes too far.

Nothing good will come of any of this, and I don’t think he cares…he’s found a cause which elevates him to the position of “saving Assyria”…and it’s gone to his pointy head.

Would modern assyrians have been appeased if Iraq had changed its name, twenty years ago, to Assyria? Assyria now would be a Muslim Assyrian country…with a Christian Assyrian minority. Once it was named “your” name, then everything in it becomes Assyrian…even the mosques become a part of Assyria. Then what would be Aprim’s complaint?

What we’d be left with, or would have been, is a Christian minority which can no longer claim to be discriminated against, as Assyrians. The language of Assyria would be Arabic, its dominant religion Islam. There would be no basis to speak of “special rights” or guarantees…the language could be taught, the names would be okay and everything else you all want…because there would be no basis to complain to the world, or each other, that, as Assyrians, you needed your own country…the only thing you could then complain about is mistreatment for being Christian, which would lessen considerably since you now had no basis to cozy up to foreigners who promised to “do something for you Assyrians”…but that would be it. End of fight…or words.

Is that what this all about…a name?

And another thing; since I’m being magnanimous and thoroughly un-religious in outlook and willing to accept 100% the contention that “Syria” and “Assyria” mean exactly the same thing….look west of the Euphrates and there’s your Assyria, staring you in the face on every map in the world, where it’s been all along while we were dropping our “As”…there you’ll find millions of Assyrians just waiting to welcome their brethren back home with open arms. Okay, so it isn’t the CENTER of the ancient empire…but it should do nicely and you can’t have everything in life…if anything Aprim and his revolutionaries can move to Assyria and be that much closer to Iraq…from there they can conduct a campaign to bring Iraq back into the Assyrian fold…no doubt the Assyrians already in Assyria will join them in such an enterprise…there will be glory for all…imagine walking down the streets of an Assyrian city of such fame as Damascus.

...how about it?



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