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Posted by Jeffrey (Guest) - Friday, January 9 2015, 2:16:38 (UTC)
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HOWARD DEAN: You know, this is a chronic problem. I stopped calling these people Muslim terrorists. They're about as Muslim as I am. I mean, they have no respect for anybody else's life, that's not what the Koran says. Europe has an enormous radical problem. I think ISIS is a cult. Not an Islamic cult. I think it's a cult.

BRZEZINSKI: Interesting, yeah. Hmm.

DEAN: And I think you got to deal with these people. The interesting thing here, is we talked about guns the last time in regarding the United States, regarding how guns get in the hands of the kind of people that kill the two police officers here two weeks ago.

France has tremendous gun control laws, and yet these people are able to get Kalashnikovs. So, this is really complicated stuff, and I think you have to treat these people as basically mass murderers. But I do not think we should accord them any particular religious respect, because I don't think, whatever they're claiming their motivation is, is clearly a twisted, cultish mind.


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>What reason could people of any religion have to do such things? Radical Muslims will say it was because of disrespect for Muhammad....we in the West say that's absurd and even more evidence that Islam is a violent and evil religion. If that is a ridiculous or unacceptable reason then what about our reason for Sanctions which led to the death by starvation and disease of over 700,000 Iraqi babies under the age of five? And this from a Christian nation. We have the answer, as provided by a high government official, Madeleine Allbright, then Secretary of State for Clinton who said the reason we starved thousands of children to death was to inspire their parents to overthrow Saddam. Is that reason any better than an insult to Muhammad, which killed 12 compared to hundreds of thousands of children...who died far slower and more agonizing deaths than did the 12.
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>What is happening now is very close to what Christians did to Jews for a 1000 years....Christians vilified Judaism as an evil and dirty religion which was intent on destroying Christian civilization.....today we laugh at the notion but it was passionately believed by what were considered to be intelligent humane and intellectual people. Today we have equally intelligent people saying the same things about Islam...the only difference being that today we can point to actual attacks and violence by Muslims....but why is that? Did Islam come looking for the West before the West began its crimes and depredations in the MidEast?
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>If it's true that Islam is a wild beast, why provoke it? Would you insist it was your right to manhandle a rattlesnake because a puppy was so easy? Would you step into a cage with a ferocious lion and then blame the animal for feeding off of you? Who is the fool?
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>The actions of the West in provoking the “beast” of Islam make it doubtful that we really had anything to fear....people would not so brazenly offend someone whom they claimed was a madman who didn't even need a good reason to lash out...rather we behave as if there is NO threat from Islam, until we provoke Muslims, and then we claim it is their religion and not our provocation that did it.
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>Why this insistence on offending Islam and Muslims...why insist on the right to draw cartoons of anything you please, no matter what? What gave people the right to insult others? I can understand if Christians want to slam their own religion, but why pick on Judaism and now Islam? You certainly have the right to fart at your own breakfast table..but why would you insist you had the same right to fart on someone elses dinner? Even in America there are limits to free speech and we expect common decency and a regard for the rights and feelings of others to limit our freedom to offend.
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>Christians feel eleven months isn't enough to celebrate Christmas and get angry and feel “attacked” when any jot of Christianity is challenged, in our own country. Then what makes us feel we have the right or even obligation to go offend the religion of others? Islam is no better or worse than Christianity or Judaism, but that isn't the point. The point is why is the West going out of its way to offend and then provoke what it claims is a violent religion?
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>If a madman held a knife to your child's throat would you insist on insulting his mother, or his religion, just then? Where there is real and imminent danger I believe most sane people would hold their tongues. If it really is true that Islam and Muslims are a threat to the world, why provoke such "dangerous people" with cartoons? Is it REALLY a necessary exercise of your “free speech rights”? Really?
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>Islam was never a threat to anyone but Muslims and at that mostly in their own countries...but Muslims can certainly be righteously pissed at what we have done in those lands...it is absurd to claim that Iraqis, for one, would have been fine with the murder of their children and the ruin of their country and lives if not for Muhammad!



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