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Pancho
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I'm gonna quote everything you wrote for me in this thread and once I'm done I'm outta here since clearly you're more about insults and hatred rather than discussion.

...as far as I'm concerned they're all fairy tales...nut Islam is not the bloody scourge that Christianity has been...Islam hasn't started World Wars...Islam didn't drop atom bombs on women and children...Islam didn't murder six million innocent Jews for their religion...Islam didn't force people to convert, or kill them if they didn't as Christianity has done...so you see there are fairy tales and then there are fairy tales...your fairy tale is murdering Iraqis...the Muslim fairy tale is struggling to defend BetNahrain.

I think you're confussing the term Christians by name with Christians who actually observe Christianity, nowhere has Hitler came out and said anything in the name of Jesus so your 6 million Jew argument against Christianity goes out the garbage.

But what I find funny is that you talk so much crap about how backwards Christian countries are and how great people have it in Muslim countries (Since you claim us Christians lived such a wonderful life under Muslims), my question to you is why are you a hypocrite living in the west? if you love the justice and peace that Islam provides for its citizens why are you living under a Christian nation? why don't you go to Saudi Arabia or Egypt and see how they treat you there? your claims are quite absurd and funny because you talk so much crap about these Christian nations yet these very Christian nations opened their arms to you and the millions of Muslims out there and gave you freedom in their land yet you return them with this garbage.

...no one said you should...except you. But it is significant, though not to a Christian apparently, that the religion you people continuously denigrate has always shown respect for Jesus and his mother.

the bottom line is your religion is full of lies


...I have no religion. Not the silly stuff you people believe in...I find I agree with Thomas Paine...all of Creation is "God's message"...it's all around us and the best way to show respect and love for God is to do good to all his creations. That isn't a lie....your religion says it stopped the sun, raised the dead and turned fishes into wine....you believe such things?

Every religion is full of lies, Islam is no different in this area, and I simply care less whether Muslims love Jesus or not, the bottom line is their own book says if you do not accept Mohammad's revelations you're doomed in hell, in other words if you do not believe Mohammad's message then you're a kaafir, simple as that.

Now I simply don't care what Islam thinks of me, I actually respect it as a religion believe it or not because there are millions of muslims out there so clearly as a religion Islam serves a purpose, but the religion is not perfect and has plenty of errors just like all the other world religions that were made by men.

The Quran did not come down from God, it was written by men who were inspired by a God just like how the Bible and all other religious texts were written.

...I'm not Muslim you jackass.

I'm no jackass, but if you look in the mirror I think you'll find one.

...bullshit. You people yell about Muslim "terrorists" and say they pose a threat to Christians...would it surprise you to know that no one, absolutely no one has killed more Christians than CHRISTIANS? You name ONE Christian country Muslims have declared war on in the last 500 years....go on. You tell us where Islam has murdered or massacred Christian minorities in the last 500 years...go ahead...tell us. But...after you repeat what your church taught you...bring us some respected historical sources that back you up...go ahead, I dare you.

...while you're worried about Islamic "terrorists"...who have to make bombs from spare parts because no Muslim country makes weapons...while Muslim men and women, driven to distraction by Christian crimes, strap bombs to their own bodies, sacrificing themselves to defend themselves....Christian nations have over 350,000 Christian SOLDIERS, not mothers and children...highly trained...equipped with the latest and best weapons of mass destruction, tanks...aircraft carriers, missles and bombers, atomic weapons,,,fighting and occupying a country reduced to ashes...killing and raping a civiliian population trying to defend its honor and life and resources...you tell us that Islam is VIOLENT???

...come on...I dare youy...name your "massacres" and "opressions"...I double dare you.

You're making yourself look like an idiot here, you just doomed Christians how they killed off 6 millions Jews and created all the wars yet you have retarded guts to actually say Muslims never massacred any Christians?

Newsflash, about 90 years ago your Ottoman Muslim brother killed millions of Christians and treated them like second class citizens, thanks for coming out, you just made yourself look stupid.


...SHOW US goddamn it. This is the propaganda of your church...a church filled with the most ignorant people the world has seen...Christian historians...winners of Pulitzer Prizes and teachers and the best universiities in the world tell us that it was Christianity that murdered people into Jesus...the Arabs were welcomed as LIBERATORS by our people from their oppression of the Christian overlords. Had the Christians of Byzantium or Rome conquered Bet Nahrain they would have KILLED all of us...as heretics...as they did every time we fell into their hands...either that or they would have forced us to convert to their brand of Christianity....these are unpleasant truths...but they are the truth...and the information exists and is corroborated by the greatest historians of all ages...only you don't read "sick" things...things which fly in the face of what your ignorant priests have told you...so you'll keep supporting them in idleness.


and most of it was done by sword and if not by the sword, he put a nice tax and made them lower class citizens for not accepting his so called truth.

...it was NOT done by the sword....if it was SHOW us where this information exists...because I can show you where just the opposite is told..and by Christians, not Muslims. ALL lords taxed people...Christian sects embraced the Arabs precisely because their bishops were bleeding them dry with taxes upon taxes...for god's sake...do you read ANYTHING? The jizya tax was a most reasonable tax...and was only applied to those Christians who could aford to pay it...widows, orphans, the blind and lame paid nothing...and they were NOT second-class citizens...in Islam many Christians and Jews advanced to the highest positions among Muslim states...while the reverse was never true. Islam PROTECTED Christians...it allowed them the freedom to spread into as many sects as they wnated to..it allowed them to build churches, monasteries...to send monks around the world...had Islam wanted to wipe us out they could have done it in a week...maybe two. Dhimi status ensured that Christians and Jews would be ruled by their own religious leaders, who would collect the taxes and be allowed to keep their own share...wouldn't you LOVE to be that kind os "second-class" citizens again!!!!!!!!!!!

Once again you're being super ignorant here, there was times where we were treated well under Muslims, but let's compare today for a sec, who's treated with more equal rights? a Christian in a Muslim country or a Muslim in a Christian country? if you have the guts to deny this then you truely don't deserve to live under a Christian nation that feeds you and protects you.

The other thing is Islam was forced on many people in the middle east, there are many groups who lost their culture and language to the Arabs because they became muslim and were either forced to convert or pay the jizya, this was the fact, how would you like it if your Christian country says to you "Well, since you're not a Christian you're gonna have to pay extra tax of become a Christian", what would you do? yes, I thought so, if this is not second class treatment than I don't know what is, here's what the prophet himselves said about non-Muslims:

"O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."

Mohammad himself promoted hatred against Christians, what more can I say? if this is not second class treatment than I don't know what is.

....not at all. It's easy if you're willing to sail around the world killing parents and "raising" the "orphans"..and then congratulating yourself on your "mercy".

...we KNOW just how Africa "became Christian"...we know how millions of African slaves "embraced" Christ...we know how Australians and Native Americans and Hawaiins and Samoans and Europeans "came to Christ"..it's all there in the historical record....whole cultures were murdered, temples and gods were destroyed, people were forbidden from speaking their languages or playing their music and were FORCED on pain of death to "attend" church.

..It's funny that when no one was around to see, the church claims people came to Jesus willingly...yet when there WERE witnessess...in the last 400 years, we see just how much violence was used to "make" Christians....had Islam wanted to do anything of the sort they could have easily "converted" every fucking Christian in their lands....but they didn't, as we can see.

...if Christian minorities have "suffered" it is because of what they DID, not because of their "faith"....Islam reveres Jesus, but they despise traitors and collaborators.

Right, so now Christians are the traitors which is why they are suffering, go clean your head from this retarded thinking please.

What exactly were they traitors of? not accepting Mohammad and his revelation? not paying the jizya? what exactly are we talking about here? Muslims have betrayed each other and still do it to this day but I guess when someone is a wimp they take out their anger on the smaller crew.

Why do I sense that when you tell me this I keep thinking of some Muslim saying "Man screw America and Britian, let's go kill some Christians and get our justice", the sad part is they take on the smaller native minorities that do not fight nor do they have that type of power, yes quite merciful, can't take on the real enemy so gotta take on someone of the same faith, cowards.


...that's another lie. It was starvation that killed EVERYBODY in Turkey..that and disease. There was indeed retaliation against Armenians for their treachery and insurrection....as there would be in ANY country. Look at the United States...there wasn't ONE Iraqi among the 19 who crashed into those towers....not ONE. Yet they felt justified in attacking and murdering innocent Iraqis. If it's okay for them to "retaliate" as they see fit...why can't the Turks? You have any idea how many Turks were killed in a war they didn't start What about them? What abouyt the over 700,000 Itaqi babies, under the age of five, who died from starvationa nd disease because of the Sanctions applied to Iraq by Christians...what about them? You wail about 750,000 "Assrians" supposedly killed by Turks....over 90 years ago...while in the last 17 years and up to TODAY, Chriostians have murdered at least as many Iraqi BABIES...we're not taliing about six year-old Iraqi children,,,or 12 year olds...just under five...and over 30,000 of them were CHRISTIANS...what about them? While you cry over 300 killed in Semele, 70 years ago...you say nothing about 100 times more killed in the last few years and up to TODAY!

..and why? Because you are only interested in Christian when a Muslim kills them. It isn't "your people" you care about..it's slandering Islam that you live for! Let a Christian nation murder "your people" and you say not a word...in fact, you go LIVE there and pay TAXES to them so they can buy the bullets to shoot "your people" and bomb "your homeland".


either you man is up and bring be saying of Jesus saying "Fight thee who do not follow me" then I'll believe your absurd claims.

...I'm not interested in what you were TOLD Jesus said....neither am I interested in what Muhammad said...I'm interested in what their followers DO with what was said to them...and from where I sit it's Christian who've been killing and killing and killing....wiping out whole nations where they could.

...these are not "claims"...that six million Jews were cooked and eaten by Christians just because of their religion is a FACT...not a claim. That our people welcomed the Arabs as liberators rescuing them from their Christian masters is a FACT...not a claim...and that your religion teaches children to eat flesh and drink blood is also a FACT...not a "claim".

Just when I thought you'd stop making yourself look like an idot you out due yourself again, listen jackass, I lost ancestors in Dyiarbaker because some Ottoman shitface cut their throats and dragged their bodies around town like some kind of hero, if you're stupid enough to believe that people died of starvation than how do you eplain these images?

http://itwasjohnson.impiousdigest.com/Heads.jpg
http://www.fredsakademiet.dk/library/karekin/_gifs/hanged.jpg
http://www.armenian-history.com/Nyuter/HISTORY/ARMENIA20/Armenia20picture/Genocide%20pic/armenian-genocide1.JPG
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f153/Curmudgette/christianbodies5.jpg
http://www.district94.dupage.k12.il.us/english/turnbaughweb/ff/armeniaskulls.jpg
http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/images/armenian1.jpg

Your Ottoman Turkish brothers commited a genocide againt Christians, end of story, you can sit here and deny it day and night but in the end of the day you'll look like an idiot with that black heart of yours, you should be ashamed of yourself.

...I told you, it isn't my book....I'm not a Muslim...or a Jew or a Buddhist. I'm just me. The Quran teaches respect for Jesus and his mother..it also forbids forced conversions or killing Christians or Jews for their religion...Christians KILLED Christians for their beliefs! Have you heard of the Protestant Reformation and its bloodt aftermath? The Two World Wars claimed millions upon millions oc Christian lives...inncoent lives..taken by other CHRISTIANS!

For a non-Muslim you sure have a lot of praise for the Quran, but not so much for the other religious books, let's see here, can we say undercover Muslim? only Allah knows I guess.

...for the last time...I'm not a Muslim, or a Christian. I'm Assyrian...I believe in Ashur...and Ashur was NOT another name for Jesus!!!!

So what is this now? is this like a mandotary criteria to be an Assyrian? you must believe in Ashur to be an Assyrian? quite the hypocrisy I must admit.

...not unless you can prove it. You all say "how come no one asks the Greeks to prove who they are...why only us"? In fact, the Greeks do have to PROVE who they are...if they expect any official recognition...if a Greek losses his passport he can dance, shout Yassoo, eat souvlaki and pray to Jesus all he wants to...but it won't get him anywhere....anyone can do those things...you need OFFICIAL evidence for OFFICIAL recognition.

..you have none...none that would be accepted by anyone except your cousins..and they don't run anything anywhere.

...you can be "Assyrian" the same way anyone else can...no more and no less. You can be Assyrian because you DO Assyrian things...and Assyrians were NEVER Christians or Muslims...for as long as they appear in world history, they believed in Ashur. Muslims, Buddhists, Christians, Atheists, Shinto, Zen...all of them can "be Assyrians"...but one of you or them can claim to be specially descended from the ancients.

...I'm an "Assyrian" in the sense that I find myself attracted to and impressed by the ancients...the ANCIENTS. I spent 30 years studying and copying their sculpture...I spent almost half a million dollars, raised through the sale of my OWN sculptures on three Assyrian monuments...the Ashurbanipal Monument was the first Assyrian monument to be errected anywhere in the world for the last 2500 years....THAT'S how I'm "Assyrian". I respect my parents and their parents and all our ancestors...for the Christians they were...whether Christians of Iraq or Persian Christians or American Christians or Australian Christians...but we are Christians, not Assyrians...and Iraq or Persian and not Assyrian by nationality, ethnicity, genetically or all the other ways in which you try to trick people.

This is lovely, you know I'm quite fascinated by the ancient Chinese culture, maybe if I go do some Chinese art and be a little more fascinated with them perhaps I could just pass and be recognized as a Chinese person, wow, this is wonderful indeed, you are a piece of work as they say.

Listen, if you call yourself an Assyrian because you made a few silly statues and like reading about them than you have no right calling others non-Assyrian, and as I said, whether we are from Ashur Banipal or Genghis Khan we exist AS ASSYRIANS today, like it good, don't like it go find a wall and bag your head on it, maybe it'll do you some good.

This was my last post here, you can enjoy your empty forum and perhaps minimee was right I hope he follows the same advice and leaves this forum), talking to you was worthless and in the end of the day noone is gonna listen to some washedup nobody, I'm sorry but this is the crul reality.

AssyrianMuslim I don't mind, at least he does't go around calling people jackasses (Or at least not with me), if he wants to continue talking to me he knows where to contact me, other than that enjoy wasting your time Pancho because you will get nowhere with this, believe me on this.

Take care jackass.



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