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Problems With Warda

Posted by pancho (Guest) - Friday, October 26 2007, 22:08:01 (CEST) from 12.199.144.42 - mail.shpl.org Non-Profit Organizations - Linux - Mozilla Website: Website title:

...my first response was knee-jerk...as always. I've been re-reading what he wrote and the flaws and gaping holes become more obvious each time...I'll take it bit by bit though so as not to swamp myself in his swamp. He lists several proofs that he claims prove the assyrians of today are direct decsdnants of the ancients and always knew they were. I'll take them one at a time starting with the first.... He makes the claim that archaeologists and Assyriologists said the the ancient Assyrians were utterly wiped out and "disappeared"...very few, if any and none in the last 50 years make that claim. It is absurd especially when we know the Assyrians, as all did back then, prized their captives and had many uses for them...just the art of the Persians, after they took the Assyrian artists back with them, shows their influence...people didn't waste entire populations back then. Having made this claim however, he goes on at some length to prove there was mention of the name Assyria and also city names such as Nineveh etc. He asserts that had the people been wiped out, the names of the cities and even the country itself would have been changed. This is of course moot because no one calims they were all wiped out. But that's hardly a convincing argument anyway since many instances exist of conquered cities and countries retaining their ancient names...such as Rome itself and Jerusalem, whose names were not changed by conquerors...also several cities in America have Spanish names and kept them even after the English dominated...and yet no one born in San Mateo....or Assyria for that matter, became Spanish, or Assyrian, because they were born in a city with the ethnic name first given to it by its founders. The point isn't that Assyrians, as a physical entity, were slaughtered and wiped out completely..it is not in that sense that experts say they "disappeared"...rather they mean that the consciouness of their ancient history disappeared from THEM...and there seems to be ample proof of that...but that's for later. One thing though, I recall an exchange some years ago which began when I questioned why the word "Assyrian" was only added to the Church of The East in 1976. If the conscioueness that we were direct descendants lasted all those years how come the word "Assyrian" was never applied to the church before....one reply was interesting. A fellow responded with, "what else would you expect to call a church in Assyria but an Assyrian church"? He said that the name was only added because we were now in the West...but we always knew we meant "Assyrian Church of the East". What's interesting in his reponse is that it confirms what Dr Joseph said about the confusion caused, for example, when the pope called the central church of the returned Roman Catholics, the "Chaldean Catholic Church". This was done precisely because the church was physically located in geographical Chaldea...as far as the Euros understood their bible....in other words "Assyrian" Church simply meant a church in the land known to all as Assyria...but in time and thanks to the fevered imagination of nationalists, who knew they couldn't demand a Christlandia outright...Christian Assyrians...meaning Christians in the LAND called Assyria....soon came to mean Assyrian Christians...implying they were Assyrians who'd converted to Christianity. I'm sure the fellow didn't realize he was providing evidence for Dr Joseph's contention that the land gave its name to the church, "naturally", after which the congregation insisted they WERE the people of the land. By simply tacking on "Assyrian" to the Church of the East, it was thought the parishoners were now ethnically Assyrian.... more later. --------------------- - BACK TO INDEX - REPLY - QUOTE - EDIT - DELETE -

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