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Re: Assyrian, Syrian, Asori
Posted by Shlama19 (Guest) - Tuesday, February 5 2008, 5:41:57 (CET)
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The point is that you people are full of it and that no one is purely descended of anyone. The ancients were mixed and God knows what you all are mixed with over the centuries. Bottom line is, just as you call yourself Assyrian only after less than a 100 years ago, there are others who call themselves Chaldeans(actually much more than you few) and those who call themselves Arameans. I have no problem with people calling themselves what ever but it is you people who try to attack the others and insist that they are false. Well, you then have to answer to what happened to the Chaldeans and Arameans who both were around after the fall of Assyria.

Ok AND? you're still not making a point, so there are others who call themselves Chaldean or Aramean, what are you trying to get at? are they supposed to be legit and we're not?

If you have no problem with people calling themselves whatever than I take it you accept me for calling myself Assyrian, if not than you're clearly flying in circles here.

Well why do you people get pissed when others mistaken you for Syrian since it is Assyrian?

We don't get pissed, we correct people because the matter fact is we are not Syrian the same sense as modern Syrian (Which is why it changed to Syriac), having said that if the Brits did not create modern Syria we would be ok if people called us Syrians, back in the day when people said Syrians they always meant it for us Assyrians, Syria did not exist as a country, it was Bilad al Shaam and a person from there was a Shaami, not Syrian.

Lol I know Assyrians who mixed with Kurds, Arabs, Turks, Armenians, Russians and others, but I forgot your Assyria is the British invention of the Anglican church.

I believe in the records that the term Assyrian was used before the arrival of the Brits, but if you're gonna be ignorant about it than fine, whether the Brits created or not it exists in a group of people and you cannot deny it just like how the Brits made you Iraqi.

The point is that they too have a right to be Aramean, Chaldean or whatever else.

Sure, they can call themselves whatever they like, but if you believe in their rights to call themsevles whatever they want are you gonna believe in our rights to call ourselves Assyrian and claim to be descendants of Assyrians?

It is a "clear lie" because it messes with your prejudices that's why. Isn't it obvious? I live in Atlanta, Georgia and the few Assyrians here that I have met use "Suraye" when referring to Christians in general. The same was the case with Assyrians I knew in Europe. I have family members that use it as clearly a Christian thing and then go on to assume like fools that any Arab is a Muslim but that is where they are off. They may very well be wrong but they use it that way and they do not mean it to be Assyrians exclusively. "Aturaye" is used for Assyrians exclusively and that is recent. I have met Assyrians from all churches too so chill out.

I have not seen it, and for the record we use "Chrisyaneh" or "Msheekhayeh" when we call non-Assyrians Christians, not "Surayeh".

Lol Oh my Lord now you gonna bring the fasting of Jonah(as)? So all others that acknowledge the fast are Assyrians? What about people who acknowledge other observations? They knew of that from the Bible. Is this your proof after 2,600 years?

Johah is one, Akitu is another just because you're being too picky.

You must think others who do not agree with ur prejudices are just stupid huh? What Aramenians are you talking about the ones who barely know their language? Are you going to learn English from some American from the Ghetto or will you go the experts and sources? Many Armenians don't know much of their language, yet you wanna go ask them what "Asori" means today? of course they may be confused. The Dr "You don't know who" is a professor from a real University, his book is of scholarly level and not from some village priest of yours are some modern Armenians who really wouldn't even give a shit about you or I. In fact I know many Armenians from Iraq who were very hostile to ur Nestorians or I should say you new "Assyrians" and did not allow their people to marry Assyrians. So, you can choose for yourself on what to believe. You want to go talk to Armenians and I tell you that you may wanna consider going to experts and real sources not your bull shit which you were born into.

Lol Again same as above. There are always other opinions and views. It's best to go to experts who know their language. If I wanted to know Arabic, I wouldn't rely on some street Arab from Basra Iraq, but I would go to the experts of the language and authentic sources.

Ahhh so the Armenians don't know their own language but your Dr.Joseph is so knowledgeable in their language right? if this is not being biased I don't know what is.

Fine, we will get a hold of smart intelligent Armenians who TEACH the language at the college or university level and we'll ask them, agree? can you man it up and accept this challange? don't be afraid if you're so sure that "Asori" does not mean "Assyrian" in Armenian.

Evidence for what? So some Kurd calls them "Asuri" that makes you the granson of Ashur Banipal? So if I cite you one who called you guys by other names, will you settle for just that?

I did not call myself the grandson of noone, I'm just saying that why would some Kurd in the 16th century call us "Asuri"? can you explain it rather than dismiss it?

I mentioned them to make a point but I forgot that your one of those types of Christians like your buddy who has sexual fantasies with monkeys and you appeartly missed the point or maybe i should be more specific. Just as you quote Syriac church fathers, there are many more who called themselves by other names and, in fact, long before you became "Aturaye" which the Brits created your "nationalism".

Ok, and many of them called themselves "Athurayeh" long before the arrival of the British, I guess since you accept all of our other church fathers you'll accept them too right?

Well you just need to travel outside your little circle that's all. My father's side of the family call themselves "Nosturnnaye" and I know many others that do as well. It wasn't until 1976 that "Assyrian" was added to your church.

The church NEVER had the title Nestorian in it period, and people don't call themselves Nestorayeh just in the same sense that Syriac Orthodox don't call themselves Jacobites.

First of all, I do not even call myself an Iraqi but oh well you just prejudged again. But the difference is that Iraq is on the map, it is recognized and a ligit nation today. Iraqis are proud of their ancastors whether it be the Babylonians, Assyrians or whoever.

Ok so what are you? if you're not Iraqi what do you call yourself? don't tell me you say you're Assyrian lol, after all this bull crap in trying to disprove us and you're calling yourself an Assyrian all along? this would be the one of the BIGGEST hypocrisies I've seen.

Sure you can be free to call yourself whatever and who is stopping you? But that is not really the issue here is it? You trying to be slick huh? Did I say Ashur Nanipal is my granfather? No I didn't but that is comments made by your people and not me. Did I say that we can't call ourselves "Assyrians" ? Again, the answer is No. What you people are doing is not calling yourselves a name but you are using a name in order to achieve a dirty agenda and it has nothing to do with ancient Assyrians but everything with Christians. I don't mean to say one can't be a Christian but this type of Christianity is fueled by bigotry, hatred, and racism of the worse kind. Just keep in mind that Islam offers human rights that no other system can offer. While your Christians were killing eachother, Islam rescued and libirated the Nestorians and other Christians sects which were declared "heretics" by Rome. But there is something about you people and that is that you people are so determined to always cause damage from within. Your patriarchs and the Syriacs just as other minorities governed themselves under Islam. They were free to practice and preserve their culture when just a century before the Romans were trying to do them as they did other heretics.

Our agenda is to get our rights as people and live free whereever we live, our agenda is also to be recognized as Assyrians because this is what we want to be called, your agenda on the other hand is to destroy such things because you're not too happy that 99% of our people follow Christianity, I bet if 99% were muslim and calling themselves Assyrian you would welcome that and root for us would'nt you? well sorry, that's not the case.

Don't worry though, our modern politicians don't care much for religion (I don't care much for religion myself, I think people who follow texts who were written more than a thousand years ago word by word blind), and to set the record straight I think of myself as Assyrian before Christian, my Christianity is quite simple, I just try to live it as a way of life through prayers and fasts, unlike Muslims I don't claim that my book is a perfect book when in reality it's not.

Lol, you people are something else. You think everyone is just stupid don't you? You think we will fall for your bull shit that you people play by pretending as if you just wanna live as Assyrian Christians in peace with others and no problem? That is not the case. I care less what you call yourself. I am more proud of the ancients than you ever will be but I know the difference between you and me. I am not saying I am more of an direct descendant of the ancients but my Assyrian is not based on Christian denomination or what other crap you people teach. Last but not least, Even if you were direct descendants of the ancients and only you people alone, what do you want from the world and especially from the Arabs and Kurds, a cookie? What makes you think you people are better than others such as the Native Americans, the Aborigenes or Africans?

What do we want from the world? two things, first recognized as Assyrians and second freedom.

You're sitting here listening to some Assyrians talk non-sense on the internet as if they're gonna declare Assyria tommorow so you're taking it out on the entire nation, this is not what we want, our REAL goal is set by some of our political parties in the homeland (Assyrian Democratic Movement), we want to live in a free united Iraq as a recognized group in our own region and be able to live with freedom practicing our own culture, our region is not Assyria, it's part of Iraq, is that so much to ask for?



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