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Re: Assyrian, Syrian, Asori
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Wednesday, February 6 2008, 4:48:21 (CET)
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Shlama19 wrote:
>...I have no problems with what you THINK...think whatever you want. Believe in the Easter Bunny if you want...what do I care? I'm writing for and having conversations with adults...people who don't believe in fairy tales.
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>Right, and the Quran is not a fairytale I take it.

...as far as I'm concerned they're all fairy tales...nut Islam is not the bloody scourge that Christianity has been...Islam hasn't started World Wars...Islam didn't drop atom bombs on women and children...Islam didn't murder six million innocent Jews for their religion...Islam didn't force people to convert, or kill them if they didn't as Christianity has done...so you see there are fairy tales and then there are fairy tales...your fairy tale is murdering Iraqis...the Muslim fairy tale is struggling to defend BetNahrain.
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>...it isn't the same at all. Islam ACCEPTS Jesus...in fact Mary is mentioned by name more often in the Quran than the bible. If Islam has a silliness to it, like virgins in paradise, it's in Paradise that it takes place, not on earth...on the other hand, it is Christianity that has brought more bloodshed and violence to world than Islam or any other religion...it is Christian nations, not Muslim ones, who started two wordl wars and dropped atom bombs on sleeping women and children...if Muslims had done such a thing you'd be saying EVERY DAY that this prooves what a violent religion they have...but when Christian do it...you say they are not "real" Christians....that's your problem....all we know is that Christianity has been the bloodiest scourge the world has ever seen...and that's a FACT, fella...not an opinion.
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>I simply don't care if Islam excepted Clint Estweed as a prophet,

...no one said you should...except you. But it is significant, though not to a Christian apparently, that the religion you people continuously denigrate has always shown respect for Jesus and his mother.

the bottom line is your religion is full of lies


...I have no religion. Not the silly stuff you people believe in...I find I agree with Thomas Paine...all of Creation is "God's message"...it's all around us and the best way to show respect and love for God is to do good to all his creations. That isn't a lie....your religion says it stopped the sun, raised the dead and turned fishes into wine....you believe such things?

and has a polythiest background (This includes Judaism and Chriitianity by the way), the difference is I'm brave enough to accept these fairytales and you're still stuck in your 72 virgin dream.

...I'm not Muslim you jackass.
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>And while Christianity have provided bloodshet to the world Islam has its share and still keeps up with this bloodshed, Muslim countries can't take on the major powers so they take it on their own Christian minorities.

...bullshit. You people yell about Muslim "terrorists" and say they pose a threat to Christians...would it surprise you to know that no one, absolutely no one has killed more Christians than CHRISTIANS? You name ONE Christian country Muslims have declared war on in the last 500 years....go on. You tell us where Islam has murdered or massacred Christian minorities in the last 500 years...go ahead...tell us. But...after you repeat what your church taught you...bring us some respected historical sources that back you up...go ahead, I dare you.

...while you're worried about Islamic "terrorists"...who have to make bombs from spare parts because no Muslim country makes weapons...while Muslim men and women, driven to distraction by Christian crimes, strap bombs to their own bodies, sacrificing themselves to defend themselves....Christian nations have over 350,000 Christian SOLDIERS, not mothers and children...highly trained...equipped with the latest and best weapons of mass destruction, tanks...aircraft carriers, missles and bombers, atomic weapons,,,fighting and occupying a country reduced to ashes...killing and raping a civiliian population trying to defend its honor and life and resources...you tell us that Islam is VIOLENT???

...come on...I dare youy...name your "massacres" and "opressions"...I double dare you.
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>..You claim that people voluntarily chose Jesus...that may have been true for the Jews...but it wasn't true of any other "nation". The Romans made Christianity succeed and they did it through violence and forced conversions..the historical record is all there for anyone to study...it isn't an "opinion".
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>Just like how people voluntarily chose Mohammad, please, your prophet forced and eliminated history and culture that lived in the middle east for ages,

...SHOW US goddamn it. This is the propaganda of your church...a church filled with the most ignorant people the world has seen...Christian historians...winners of Pulitzer Prizes and teachers and the best universiities in the world tell us that it was Christianity that murdered people into Jesus...the Arabs were welcomed as LIBERATORS by our people from their oppression of the Christian overlords. Had the Christians of Byzantium or Rome conquered Bet Nahrain they would have KILLED all of us...as heretics...as they did every time we fell into their hands...either that or they would have forced us to convert to their brand of Christianity....these are unpleasant truths...but they are the truth...and the information exists and is corroborated by the greatest historians of all ages...only you don't read "sick" things...things which fly in the face of what your ignorant priests have told you...so you'll keep supporting them in idleness.


and most of it was done by sword and if not by the sword, he put a nice tax and made them lower class citizens for not accepting his so called truth.

...it was NOT done by the sword....if it was SHOW us where this information exists...because I can show you where just the opposite is told..and by Christians, not Muslims. ALL lords taxed people...Christian sects embraced the Arabs precisely because their bishops were bleeding them dry with taxes upon taxes...for god's sake...do you read ANYTHING? The jizya tax was a most reasonable tax...and was only applied to those Christians who could aford to pay it...widows, orphans, the blind and lame paid nothing...and they were NOT second-class citizens...in Islam many Christians and Jews advanced to the highest positions among Muslim states...while the reverse was never true. Islam PROTECTED Christians...it allowed them the freedom to spread into as many sects as they wnated to..it allowed them to build churches, monasteries...to send monks around the world...had Islam wanted to wipe us out they could have done it in a week...maybe two. Dhimi status ensured that Christians and Jews would be ruled by their own religious leaders, who would collect the taxes and be allowed to keep their own share...wouldn't you LOVE to be that kind os "second-class" citizens again!!!!!!!!!!!
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>..You say Nestorian monks went to China and India and Japan taking the "message" of Jesus to people...and those people rejected it. You were eventually thrown out of Japan...and in China and India, after 2000 years of telling people about Jesus...you have nothing...a few thousand here and there...no more than the numbers one would expect if those early monks screwed only each other and married only the few weird converts they made....but with all the opportunity and time in the world to convert people to Christ...you managed nest to nothing in all those centuries...so it seems that people do NOT leap into Jesus....they have to be either trained to it from birth...and you can make people into cannibals the same way...or they were forced into it at the point of a sword...and that's JUST what happened...all over Europe, Africa and the New World...the trial of blood that runs like a river through Christian history is incredible....and you have the nerve to compare yourself to Islam?
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>Right, I guess being the world largest religion is nothing afterall.

....not at all. It's easy if you're willing to sail around the world killing parents and "raising" the "orphans"..and then congratulating yourself on your "mercy".

...we KNOW just how Africa "became Christian"...we know how millions of African slaves "embraced" Christ...we know how Australians and Native Americans and Hawaiins and Samoans and Europeans "came to Christ"..it's all there in the historical record....whole cultures were murdered, temples and gods were destroyed, people were forbidden from speaking their languages or playing their music and were FORCED on pain of death to "attend" church.

..It's funny that when no one was around to see, the church claims people came to Jesus willingly...yet when there WERE witnessess...in the last 400 years, we see just how much violence was used to "make" Christians....had Islam wanted to do anything of the sort they could have easily "converted" every fucking Christian in their lands....but they didn't, as we can see.

...if Christian minorities have "suffered" it is because of what they DID, not because of their "faith"....Islam reveres Jesus, but they despise traitors and collaborators.
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>...Islam doesn't ptomote wars, the way your religion does....it wasn't Islam that murdered six million Jews for their religion..it was Christianity....Islam didn't harm European Jews, Christians did..and yet their lands were stolen to make a final solution of YOUR Jewish problem...and they bore it patiently for decades...far more than any Christians would have...and today, when they can't take it any more and when they see you Christians moved your butcher shop to Iraq, they've finally had enough and rise up, with hardly any weapons of their own, to fight for their dignity and freedom...so they won't be the next to suffer anothert Holocaust at the hands of Christians.
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>Ok, let's have scripture tennis and see who has more wars, don't tell me Hitler did this, some leader did that or bla bla bla, I can tell you that your Muslim Ottoman Turks killed off so many of our ancestors along with Armenians and Greeks, is it fair to blame Islam for it?

...that's another lie. It was starvation that killed EVERYBODY in Turkey..that and disease. There was indeed retaliation against Armenians for their treachery and insurrection....as there would be in ANY country. Look at the United States...there wasn't ONE Iraqi among the 19 who crashed into those towers....not ONE. Yet they felt justified in attacking and murdering innocent Iraqis. If it's okay for them to "retaliate" as they see fit...why can't the Turks? You have any idea how many Turks were killed in a war they didn't start What about them? What abouyt the over 700,000 Itaqi babies, under the age of five, who died from starvationa nd disease because of the Sanctions applied to Iraq by Christians...what about them? You wail about 750,000 "Assrians" supposedly killed by Turks....over 90 years ago...while in the last 17 years and up to TODAY, Chriostians have murdered at least as many Iraqi BABIES...we're not taliing about six year-old Iraqi children,,,or 12 year olds...just under five...and over 30,000 of them were CHRISTIANS...what about them? While you cry over 300 killed in Semele, 70 years ago...you say nothing about 100 times more killed in the last few years and up to TODAY!

..and why? Because you are only interested in Christian when a Muslim kills them. It isn't "your people" you care about..it's slandering Islam that you live for! Let a Christian nation murder "your people" and you say not a word...in fact, you go LIVE there and pay TAXES to them so they can buy the bullets to shoot "your people" and bomb "your homeland".


either you man is up and bring be saying of Jesus saying "Fight thee who do not follow me" then I'll believe your absurd claims.

...I'm not interested in what you were TOLD Jesus said....neither am I interested in what Muhammad said...I'm interested in what their followers DO with what was said to them...and from where I sit it's Christian who've been killing and killing and killing....wiping out whole nations where they could.

...these are not "claims"...that six million Jews were cooked and eaten by Christians just because of their religion is a FACT...not a claim. That our people welcomed the Arabs as liberators rescuing them from their Christian masters is a FACT...not a claim...and that your religion teaches children to eat flesh and drink blood is also a FACT...not a "claim".
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>...I told you, churhces, their texts and their personel lie...evrybody knows it. Church "history" is mrerly the history of what THEY have said...that is NOT history...people who believe the sun stood still and fished were made out of wine are not to be trusted...try getting into a graduate class in history by telling your professor what YOUR Syriac tests say about the subject...go on, try it! The Voodoo religion also has "texts" and they too have "truths"...and you study and write about them and read their texts is you want to know the history of THEIR prejudices and miracles and fantasies and miracle cures dome with rooster blood...as you claim can be acieved with the blood of Jesus (YUCK!)...what is WRONG with you people??? This is not HISTORY...the KKK also their history...but it is NOT history as the civilized, educated, thoughtful world uses that word...of course I reject your texts...not because I "hate" you or your texts...but because they aren't believeable or creditable...just because YOU believe them places no responsibility on me to accept them..and if I don't then you are justified in burining me at the stake....or telling me I need "help"...maybe YOU need the help.
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>And the Quran is SUCK a perfect book my goodness, you know your own book has been rewritten, did you know that?

...If I were Muslim, I'd be happy to admit it...obviously I'm not interested in "hiding" anything. You seem to be seeing things.


your prophet says when your Quran came down it was the perfect book and even your God says you cannot take anything from it or add anything, but did your Muslim brothers listen? no, because your wonderful merciful Quran has been rewritten and history can proof this.

...I told you, it isn't my book....I'm not a Muslim...or a Jew or a Buddhist. I'm just me. The Quran teaches respect for Jesus and his mother..it also forbids forced conversions or killing Christians or Jews for their religion...Christians KILLED Christians for their beliefs! Have you heard of the Protestant Reformation and its bloodt aftermath? The Two World Wars claimed millions upon millions oc Christian lives...inncoent lives..taken by other CHRISTIANS!
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>Or course you muslims like to claim that "The Quran is the same Quran", well I'll throw you a challange, how about you show me the original copy, I triple dare you as a muslim to do that, you like to sit here and say the Bible is not creditable well your Quran is just the same, your religion derives from Judaism and Christianity, so not only your book is not perfect and has been rewritten but also has a background of polythiesm from guess who? from our very own Mesopotamian fathers and mothers who used to believe in many Gods. Yes, that is your wonderful fairytale Quran.

...for the last time...I'm not a Muslim, or a Christian. I'm Assyrian...I believe in Ashur...and Ashur was NOT another name for Jesus!!!!



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