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Re: Christian kid uses morals to kill Gay kid...
Posted by Arrow (Guest) - Tuesday, December 20 2011, 23:03:25 (UTC)
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...maybe you don't.

Maybe I do, maybe I don't. Belief is not a requirement for an argument. For example, a lawyer does not have to believe that his client is innocent in order to defend him. You claim you are talking to others through me. Well, there are others who do believe in what I am saying. Maybe they would like hear your response. In any case, there is no reason to spout rants such as:

- “you just like to take sides and play with yourself”

- “Apparently you have nothing better to do than take sides in arguments you don't believe in”

- “come back when you find something to believe in”

- “Jesus...how infantile can you be? Maybe this is what comes of not believing anything”

- “keep this up and I'll simply ignore you or worse, insult you”

This is after all a forum...that means a marketplace for the free exchange of ideas

Yes. Exchange of ideas, not beliefs or insults. Try to deal with those ideas without objecting to their sources or demanding the speaker to believe in them. And if you can't, then there is no reason to resort to bullying and insults. It reflects poorly on the quality of your character and your intellectual capacity.

...as I and everyone else clearly state ours...

I could not care less about what you personally believe. To me, you are nothing but words on a screen.

...I assumed you had original thoughts to share

We may think that our thoughts are “original” and our own but they are not. Almost all our thoughts have been acquired from someone else (education, reading, peers...) and stored in our memory. But even if we came up with those thoughts on our own, it would still be better to search for and quote someone who has more authority on the subject and who shares with us those thoughts.

the law doesn't say anything about a man and a woman or even citizens

I already gave you a link about a congress Act that was passed in 1996. It defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman. I do not know what an Act is. Is it a law? Perhaps you could explain. Here's the link: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-104publ199/html/PLAW-104publ199.htm

...it does say "adults"

Citizens, adults... same thing. It is still a loophole. It seems that you did not understand the example I gave you.

I am talking AT you and THROUGH you to others

Yes. You are talking at me, through me, behind me, above me, below me and around me.

the Golden Rule is enough and isn't relative

It is. In an Atheist world, everything is. What is immoral to me may be moral to you. How about we kill Bill Gates, get rid of lousy software, and use his money to promote mac and support millions needy people? Some people may deem this to be moral.

it is religions which have changed their "commandments" and what they say god expects of them.

Example?

In Christian societies young girls of 12 and 14 were married off...it took civil laws to stop that practice

Not in all Christian societies and it was never a prevalent practice. No religion has ever had a 100% effect on society. You will always find outliers.

show where religion compels people to behave morally...I don;t see it.

How do I show? When you genuinely believe, love and fear God, you will abide by His commandments.

There is not a single "good" which did not exist before Christianity, or the other two...not one.

I do not know. We have to know more about those ancient religions in order to judge.

No society would have endured to the point of any prophet's birth if it did not prohibit murder and theft and rape...did not compel respect for parents and laws....it took no religion to teach people how to behave morally in this regard

There has always been religions since the dawn of civilization and that is why societies endured to the point of a prophet's birth. Religion did not start with Abraham. There has never been an Atheist society. It did take religion to teach people to behave morally.

...but it did take a religion to tell people they must stone to death a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night...or an adulterer...or compel people to cut living tissue from a baby's body...while you can't show what kindnesses religion FORCED on us...I CAN show what barbarities it brought.

Yes you can. But if those religions did not explicitly exhort those activities, they would not have happened. You may show what barbarities may have been brought from a certain aspect of a particular religion, but this will neither entirely incriminate that religions (or other religions) nor invalidate the positive effects it has had on other aspects of our lives.

For example, you often defend Islam on this forum. What then is your objection to Islam? You will say it demands a painful surgical operation to be practiced on a child without his prior consent. Then I will ask, what if this practice is forbidden in Islam, what then would be your objection to Islam?

...we know the killer is Christian...not only because they don;t mention it, but also because at such a young age he decided to murder a kid just because the kid was Gay...let's see, where could have gotten this hatred from, if not religion?

No we don't. We do not know much about his background and his upbringing. Did he often attend Sunday masses? Was he pious? Was he interested in religion at all? What about his parents? There are so many factors that could have influenced his behavior. Adolescence is a difficult period. We know, however, that those who brought down the twin towers were adults, rational, educated, frequented Friday sermons, attended religious madrasas, memorized and studied the Quran meticulously.

This little murdering Christian has already been forgiven by God

No he hasn't.

here are two kids who would have benefited enormously if there had been no god or religion.

I say if there had been no religion, not only those two but 770 gays kids would have been killed as well. Hitler was as Atheist as it gets.



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