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Re: Got Fear?
Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Saturday, February 23 2008, 22:42:55 (CET)
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pancho wrote:
>Contrary to what our nationalists say I maintain that there isn’t a reason on earth for anyone to be afraid of our people uniting. That this is some bogus claim made to bolster their own sense of self-importance meant to mask the fact no one gives them even a second thought. Also that no one is out to deny their so-called exclusive ties to the ancient Assyrians…why would anyone even care?

There are still nearly 300,000 Aborigenes in Australia and they have a much better case than ours and their history there dates back to at least 40,000 years ago. No one cares for them despite their numbers decreasing and their case is much more recent. Why would they fear that there are descendants of the ancient Assyrians? And who says there are descendants of the ancient Assyrians/Babylonians? Iraqis know their history and heritage, and they are proud of their ancastry and rich heritage.


>But let’s look at the opposite argument….is anyone, for any reason, determined to force the issue? Is it in anyone’s interest to keep this bogus claim alive…to insist that we MUST be related to the ancients and not only related but that today only Christians can be “real” Assyrians? Before plowing on it needs to be said additionally that this exclusive-Christian thing is being tempered by those of us who claim that the church should have nothing to do with “national” issues…these same supposedly secular Assyrians now grant, regally, that you don’t have to be Christian to be Assyrian...but when you get down to the fine print, everything they call “Assyrian” is still Christian….but at least a few have come to see the fallacy in speaking too loudly about only Christians qualifying as Assyrians.

We already knew that you don't have to be Christian in order to be Assyrian or a descendant. They just know that it isn't getting anywhere so they try to play secular now, though I have met few open minded secular "Assyrians" who insist that anyone can be a descendant of ancient Assyrians. There is an "Assyrian" web site from Sweden reporting that there were many Muslims who signed up at this census thing who regarded themselves Assyrians. Of course I myself have met some Iraqi Muslims myself who regarded themselves descendants of "Ashureen" and "Babyloneen", so it isn't a secret or something new, but I think these "Assyrian Nationalists" mean something differen't and they have a differen't agenda in mind.


>That they still believe this is easily understood for only by doing so can they avoid the criticism that Iraq already IS filled with Assyrian descendants and further that if any of them have complaints to make it is as a Christian-Assyrian minority, and not as Assyrians, because the majority of Assyrians in Iraq are Muslim descendants of the ancients. But even that gets shaky when you read actual history and find out that they haven’t even been persecuted for that, for their religion..and since they haven’t been robbed or persecuted for their Christian faith,..,and since they are no more Assyrian than any other Iraqi..on what basis then can they complain, piss and moan, to the world? What about? Dhimmi status has PROTECTED them…has guaranteed them their own religious leaders ruling over their communities…no doubt Jews and Muslims living in Christian nations would have LOVED to have equal “second-class” class status as Christians enjoyed among Muslims.

I think the families of the some 30,000 Christian men who lost their lives as soldiers in the Iraqi army during the wars with Iran and Kuwait would have loved to have lived as Dhimmis in an Islamic state rather than a secular Iraqi state. I think the thousands of American soldiers who lost their lives in Vietnam would have loved to have been Dhimmis under Islam rather than getting killed in the front battle fields against communists or having to flee to Canada, Cambodia, Thailand and other countries. I think they would have loved to have lived as Dhimmis which a few hate mongers claim means harsh treatment ot "second class" status.


>Back to the question of who, outside our own community, would have an interest in maintaining the claim that a. There are direct descendants of the ancient Assyrians and that b. they are exclusively Christian, with a side-bar stating that Christianity “saved us”…and c. We are persecuted etc by Muslims. Who could that be?

lol good questuion, I wonder who.


>As to being saved by Christianity that would be our churches who’ve tried to disguise the fact that we saved THEM at great cost to our children and ourselves. But, in an era of increasing national awareness, a religious identity alone would not do for the last thing our churches wanted was for us to be known merely as Christian minority Iraqis or, worst of all, Arabs. We needed a “national” name that could stand in stark but equal contrast to any existing ones in the MidEast, all of which denote Muslim nations. Presto…the Assyrian “nation” was born.
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>But what about the idea that we are direct descendants of the Assyrians…who would have benefited by that…who took an avid interest in our community around about the time those discoveries were made that led Euros to pronounce to the world that they had discovered the children of Shalmanessar? Well, who was there at the time, swarming all over the place with the avowed purpose of using our Christian communities as missionaries-in-training..as new-era evengelicals to go among the heathen Muslims and “save” them…who? Why European and American missionaries, that’s who.

Yup it was those Euros who enlarged their balls by pretending that they were important or interesting and they are responsible for all this, and including the so called genocides that Aprim cries about and says was due to his sincere faith in Jesus when in reality he don't even give a fuck. The same Euros have done the same thing elsewhere as well. Look at what they did to the Africans and the Natives of the Americas who also have a history and civilization that goes back far. They just needed an ally and someone to use and the Syriac speaking Christians whom they (western Christians) saw as mostly heretics anyways were just right. Why risk your own necks by going up to the Muslim and telling him that God is 3 in 1, he has a son, drink blood and eat flesh symbolically to get "saved" and behave like us? So they figured if someone is going to get his head chopped off as it would be the case especially if they insulted the Muslim they figured these Syriav Christians will become useful. One of their big goals was to kill two birds with one stone. Convert the Muslims to Christ, and bring the heretics into "True Christianity" as well. Unfortunately, it didn't work out as planned and the Christian alliance and conspiracy against the Ottomans led to some of the deaths of the Syriac Christians which Fred Aprim insists was a "Holy Jihad in the name of Allah against the Christian Assyrians" noticed he even put "Christian" in front of Assyrian to get more attention.

Only a fool and clowns with such mentalities will fall for the crap that the "giants" like Fred Aprim and others claim. When someone with real "infoormation" appears, they call him a "traitor", "agent of the zionists" when in reality they are and that they are working against the "Assyrian Unity and Nation". In reality, no one is working against their unity except they themselves. Look how they behave toward each other and look at all the division they have just over the various church denominations. There are some of these fools who even argue that some of their own family members aren't true Assyrians because they don't belong to the sect which celebrates X-mas on the 25th ot vice versa. Yet these people got nerves to speak of others working against their unity when they can't even play a soccer match together without fighting?


>Now what do you suppose their motive could have been….could still be?



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