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Re: How many times we will put the EVIDENCES!
Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Saturday, January 24 2009, 23:14:04 (CET)
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Ashur Beth-Shlimon wrote:

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>I said it and I will say that from the first SORA/CHAPTER AND up TO THE END, all speak about killing the Infidel unless they convert to Islam and here some of such where are actually numerous of examples .
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>An Example :
>Sora Al TAUBA : 4 from the QUR'AN:
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>" At the end of the forbidden months kill the infidels( None Muslims, your words) wherever you find them and arrest them and surround them and keep a watchful eye on them if they repent(become Muslims your words again) and prayed and paid the poll taxes then you will leave them alone , because GOD is merciful !"


Let's see what lies you are spreading and expose you further as a dirty and low class Christian scum. Let's read the verse in context.


"For four months you shall journey freely in the land. But know that you shall not render Allah incapable, and that Allah will humiliate the unbelievers.
(2)
A proclamation from Allah and His Messenger, to the people on the day of the Grand Pilgrimage; 'Allah rejects, and His Messenger (rejects) the idolaters. So if you repent, that will be better for you; but if you turn your backs, know that you cannot frustrate Allah. And give glad tidings to the unbelievers of a painful punishment, (3)(This is a treaty, my words)
except those idolaters who have fully honored their treaties with you and aided none against you. With these fulfill your covenant till their term. Surely, Allah loves the righteous. (4)
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Take them and confine them, then lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and establish the prayer and pay the obligatory charity, let them go their way. Allah is Forgiving and the Most Merciful. (5)
If an idolater seeks asylum with you, give him protection in order that he hears the Word of Allah, and then convey him to his place of safety, because they are a nation who do not know. (6)
How can the idolaters have any treaty with Allah and His Messenger, except those with whom you have made treaties by the Sacred Mosque? So long as they are straight with you, so be straight with them. Allah loves the righteous. (7)
How? If they prevail against you they will respect neither agreements nor ties of kindred. They satisfy you with their tongues, but their hearts are averse; and most of them are wicked. (8)
They sell the verses of Allah for a small price and bar others from His Path. Evil is what they have been doing. (9)
They honor with the believers neither bonds nor treaties. Such are the transgressors. (10)
If they repent and establish the prayer and pay the obligatory charity, they shall become your brothers in the religion. So We make plain Our verses for a nation that knows. (11)
But if, after coming to terms with you, they break their oaths and revile your belief, fight the leaders of the disbelief - for they have no oaths - in order that they will desist. (12)
Will you not fight against those who have broken their oaths and conspired to expel the Messenger? They were the first to attack you. Do you fear them? Surely, Allah has better rights that you fear Him, if you are believers. (13)
Fight them, Allah will punish them with your hands and degrade them. He will grant you victory over them and heal the chests of a believing nation. (14)
He will take away all anger from their hearts: Allah turns to whomsoever He will. Allah is Knowing, Wise. (15)"

As anyone can clearly see when the verses are put in context and not just 1 verse being quoted out of context, it becomes clear that it is talking about treaties that were violated by the Pagan Arabs in the time of Muhammad(saaws). Honestly, this is not even worth my time commentiong or explaining but I will do it anyway because I know the Christian beomes more dumb and ignorant when under the influence of the "holy ghost" and tries hard to find faults with Islam. The verses are clear in context, and it is referring to those who were at war with the Muslims. It beceomes even more clear when one continues reading all the way down to verses 12-15 and the verses have to be read in context to fully understand. This says nothing about killing people just simply for not being Muslims and it sure as heck has nothing to do with the slanders brought forth by Jumblat the jack ass.

So again, you only lied, shame on you as a Christian, and you have still not brought any evidence at all. So when you say you have brought "evidence many times" you are talking out of your ass and you are one more time caught with your pants down. You see this is why I was banned from your types of forums. You people are too easy to refute, your entire business is built on bullshit and weak. One barely touches you people and your entire nation falls apart into pieces. This shows how weak you people really are and how easy it is to refute you guys. This is why your favorite words are all the same "we don't have time to waste" "We are not interested in arguing about history" and the famous "we already know the truth in our hearts". These are thye same statements made by Nazis and the kkk but all of you are the same. So once again, you have brought nothing but lies, propaganda and saddely you can't even find evidence to justify your hatred. I can at least justify my rejecteion of Christianity and we have brought evidence from real historians, and Christians too.



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>Another Example :
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>" ... Finally , these sects crystallized into three groups, which consisted the Christian sects. Others have no significance . We do not think that we should BLACKEN the pages of this book with discussion of their dogmas of unbelief . In general , they are well known . All of them are unbelief . This is clearly stated in the Noble Qur'an . To discuss or argue those things with them is not for us . It is (for them to choose between ) CONVERSION TO ISLAM , PAYMENT OF THE POLL TAX , or DEATH !"page 188


As for this bull, even though I said I wouldn't even touch on it because it's absurd, I will anyways just because I am already on it. First of all, the thing that needs to be clarified first is that NJ Dawood was a translator of the Quran. His translation contained so many errors and he faced much criticism by commentators and others who examined it. His translation has been revised several times, and he has been accused of deliberetly translating certain verses wrongly. I have his translation at home and I know exactly where the errors are and they have long been corrected. The reason I am bringing this up is because the people that these Christians use are known for being bias. However, as for this little paragraph taken out of the translation of Muqadimah, it proves nothing once again. By reading what it says, what is so evil about? It makes clear rules and the payment of Jizya is the fee for public services, protection and exmption from military. There is nothing wring with it at all. If one is unwilling to become a loyal citizen of the state, there will be a punishment, and that goes for anywhere.

If I don't pay my taxes in America, I will go to prison, and if I rise up against the government I can get hurt, punished and killed. That goes for anywhere and anyone in general. Just the verse out of the Quran, this is nothing more than a desperate attempt. The bottom line is, we have given you evidence of what your religion did, amd how Christianity came to spread. You have not given us any evidence and been running for over one year and I know why. I know you have nothing and this is a weak desperation attempt.

As always, you managed like the rest of your types, you further undressed yourself and proved our point. You brought nothing but your own imagination, bigotry and hatred. At least I can justify my rejection of your religion and I know both your religion and my own better than you could even because I am at least willing to be open minded and learn about anything from proper sources and not from enemies and propaganda. At least we have proven Christianity was spread by force in many places, it was Christians who killed people just for religion, killed more Christians and tortured people in horrible ways. While your Christianity is supposed to be "peace" and all the other bull shit they clai, it has not proven that in 2,000 years. While Islam is supposed to be evil and intolerant according to these same Christians, Muslims have been tolerant and historians testify as to who has spread religion by force and who killed people just for religion. You know what is more sad about these Christian Islam haters is that they can't even bring a real translation.

When they try to quote from a translation, they still throw their words in with bracets as if that proves anything. Shame how low these people get, shame on such Christians, and shame on the religion which has produces such trash and bigots.



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