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Re: I like it that way!
Posted by Arrow (Guest) - Wednesday, March 14 2012, 11:27:58 (UTC)
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>You said God does not exist because there is no proof. I said scientists discuss multiverses to explain the fine tuning of the universe although there is no proof.

...there is a world of difference...the Universe isn't demanding people kill non-believers

You are changing the subject, as usual. We were talking about “existence”, “proof” and nothing else. Killing is a different topic.

you refused to respond

Not true. You wanted to start over from the beginning. So I said “let's start over with God”, and you agreed.

if you believe a supernatural pig, and he would have to be, is living on Mars then ANYTHING is possible

I have already told you (briefly) why pigs on Mars do not exist. Once more:

1. A pig is made up of matter, has a shape and is subject to the laws of nature. If so, then it is not supernatural. It has been proven that there is no life on Mars or on any of the other planet that has been discovered so far.

2. A pig is within the universe. It did not exist when the universe (space and time) did not exist. Therefore, it had a beginning. Anything that had a beginning must have been caused by something other than itself (i.e. the supernatural pig must have been caused by another supernatural being, which brings us back to God).

3. If it did not have a beginning, then it would have existed before the universe. Nothing corporeal can exist outside space and time. A non-corporeal entity is not composed of atoms and it does not have a shape or form. Therefore, it does not take the shape of pig and there is no reason to call it a pig.

Therefore, supernatural pigs on Mars do not exist.

pigs exist

I have proven above that they do not exist. There is a difference between an “evidence” and a “proof”. There is no proof for God or deliberate design, but there are clues or indications for the possibility of a God. I mentioned two:

1. The necessity of a prime mover
2. The fine tuning of the universe

the Old Testicles makes no mention of hell

It mentions heaven. As for Christianity, there is no explicit mention of life after death. Here is what the late pope said: “The 'heaven' or 'happiness' in which we will find ourselves is neither an abstraction nor a physical place in the clouds, but a living, personal relationship with the Holy Trinity...”

It is here on earth. It is the state of being in harmony with God's will.

> let's finally start what we started, which is; what have people done with the BELIEF in gods.....not the EXISTENCE of gods, but the BELIEF in their existence. 

Indians believe in God. They call him Ganish. What did they do? 

… Indians and Ganish haven't brought the world two world wars and a Holocaust

You have contradicted yourself. You showed that belief in the existence of gods (per se) does not necessarily lead to murder. Your problem is not with belief in gods, but with belief in the Christian doctrines.

I fear you've simply tried to "keep up", for appearence sake...and I'm tired of slowing down for you.

I do what and when I like. There are thousands of forums and they are much more populated. Why wait for someone to visit your site?



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