The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5
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Tiglath
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>As far as only going back to Arameans and no further...I don;t think that ends the argument. His point , and that of those who said Assyrians "disappeared" is that when you forget your language...you will soon forget your history and then heritage and culture. And this is borne out because no Nestorian, in 1847, could read Akkadian or knew anything more about the ancients than what was contained in the Bible..which is also where they got their negative views of those ancients...but none of them could have read cuneiform...that is how Assyrians "disappeared". Well that is where our views must diverge. The ancient Assyrians gradually incorporated the Aramaen tribes in their heartland around 700 BC with the kings gradually taking Aramaens as wives. Like all other waves before them they gradually assimilated into ancient Assyria with the exception of their language which gradually blended with Akkadian over the centuries until it took over as the lingua france of the entire Middle East. The same thing happened to the Jewsd of Europe who were speaking a mixture of Hebrew and German called Yiddish before their return to the Middle East and the reconsituting of over 70% of their current Hebrew language from original ancient Aramaic sources. > >The Aramaic language, on the other hand, did not disappear so that the Christians who adopted this as their liturgical language, remembered the Aramaic/Christian culture. The Aramaic language and alphabet were all introduced during the zenith of the Assyrian empire and represented a continuity of Akkadian. The subtle difference is that although we don't know whether we are direct descendants of the ancient Assyrians we do know that we are direct descendants of the ancient Aramaens, the vast majority of whom were a part of the ancient Assyrian empire. >I didn;t want to pick a new fight with him, since I was apologizing....but I hope he took the hint. You should only have apologised to him if he went to the same lengths as you have to deconstruct his own manufactured history and culture which he clearly hasn't. In fact he continues to fall back on the same old tired arguments that neatly fall within the Orientalism framework, blaming the victims - the Muslims - for forcing the benevolent West to invade their nations and instill democracy. As such, as wrong as you - and many of us - now appear in hindsight we were still more right than he was and continues to be. Also unlike my relative Ashur Bet Shleemon I don't have an inferiority complex when it comes to tracing back our ancestry back to only the Aramaens. In fact I find it refreshing to know that we lived in such a multicultural, multi-religous and multi-ethnic location and our Aramaic language was adopted by all in the Middle East, including the Copts of Egypt. Due to this it it's impossible to trace back our ancestry to the ancient Assyrians. The only people who would be upset by John Joseph's revealation are nationalists who still cling to the dream of a nation state in which we kick out the Muslims and use our romanticised and manufactured history and revised history to justify our appropriation of the indigneous Muslims' lands. --------------------- |
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