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Re: In Which Xenophon And We Get It Wrong
Posted by Maggie (Guest) - Sunday, February 25 2007, 23:59:21 (CET)
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"I believe you`re still mistaken...there were two Peloponesian Wars...the first one started and ended before Xenophon was born...the second one began when he was born..."

No I'm not. If you take the word "Peleponesian" out of my original post the rest of what I wrote was accurate, in that I was discussing the right period, the author, the battle, and the diary. I just called the battle itself the wrong name, that is all. Besides, I never said I'm a "scholar" a "writer" and "historian" or anything of the sort.

>Anabasis covers from 431 B.C. to 360 B. C.

"...yes but the battle of Cunaxa has no part in the wars between Sparta and Athen...which all took place on Greek soil and not in Persia."

Read above, and also read the original post. I wasn't describing the battle between Sparta and Athens, I was discussing Cunaxa, which was part of the Persian Expedition, and the mistake I made is in calling it Peleponesian. But that' is allright, go ahead and crucify me for one small mistake. What does it prove anyway? It is easy for you to do that, but hard to admit that Joseph also made a mistake of not using other sources to test his theory, which is initself dishonest.

But judging by your overall outlook, not just a few posts, I agree with the content of your overall message.

You also said you don't want to move forward with religion just yet, until you find out who you are culturally first. That's fine, yet almost immediately you start writing new posts in which you are discussing religion by way of discussing our current situation.

The irony of everything is this:
Assyrians were the first to nationalize a God, and formed the first formal religion in the world. This religion spread to all the people of the world, and the concept of Ashur became other Gods, each new culture adopting this religion and tweeking it to their own benefit, and intertwining it with the culture they created. But no one ever accused these other cultures of worshipping "false" Gods, or "worshipping false idols" and calling them pagan and scarring them religiously for life. Yet this was done to the Assyrians by the Hebrews who managed to nullify our God and replace it with Jehova. Centuries later the ones that gave religion to the world are the smallest minority because they let others convert them to another faith, even though the new religion is based on the myths of the older one. We fought the battles for this new religion to defend it and preserve it, and even gave millions of martyrs to save it. No other group of people did that but the FOOLISH Assyrians.

To give all this a nother angle, some scientists think that the Assyrians, by adopting Christianity may have saved themselves from extinction. How? By converting to Christianity, they let no other surrounding religion mix in their small society. They stayed isolated in their own little world, in the monasteries, in caves, in small and fairly autonomous villages, and this isolation contributed to their preservation of their true identity. Meaning, that if those 4 Persian doctors, who did DNA studies of the various Middle Eastern groups, taking random samples from almost every ethnicity, and the results were so jarring that it sparked an interest in the public to take this research further and find out why the Assyrian group was by far the most unique in their DNA, as opposed to other groups studied. All the Assyrians sampled had the same DNA structure, yet other groups were more mixed. The other thing they found is that almost all the Middle Eastern groups studied, were linked to the Assyrian DNA. In other words, Assyrian DNA ran through nearly all modern Middle Eastern people, still living in Asia Minor. I would be very interested to know if there are some scientists here that can talk about this, to see if this can actually prove who's who in today's Middle East. I haven't followed this study for many years, but it would be interesting to know what it can prove.

Anyone know how far they got with all this? This would be empirically valueable.

Like you said, Ashur works in mysterious ways, so we really still don't know what lies ahead. Each writer, author, etc. will have an interesting theory, which is why books are so valueable, and in that sense Dr. Joseph's contribution can be seen as part of that value, meaning initiating questions, debates, discussions, search, and speculation, and that's what makes life so interesting. Can you imagine how boring this life would be if we knew everything?

The important thing is to bust some of the myths through discussion, so we can free ourselves of dogma, and be able to keep searching for answers, and knowledge.

One thing more, you brought up the Apache so I'm going to bring the Seminole Indians as an example.

The Native American Indians, considered native to America, but actually crossed lands from where we came from to get here. One of those is the Seminole Indian Tribe of Florida, which fought to preserve the lands of their forefathers, and held on to their local government structure the way Assyrians are trying to hold on to theirs in northern Iraq. Even today, their nation is called the Seminole Nation, and their autonomous government within the state of Florida is called the Seminole government, which has its own jurisdiction, its own police, mayor, governor, etc. and the local Florida government has no authority over it. They solve their own problems, seperate from the rest of the United States. So there is a model for the Assyrian Triangle, right here in America, and makes the Assyrian claim just as valid as theirs.

Back to laundry.



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