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Re: Islam Must Fight Back...
Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Wednesday, June 4 2008, 19:35:24 (CEST)
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>Christians have so little regard for their own religion that Muslim's would find a large audience around the world that would be receptive and interested in being told the truth about this religion of "peace". Why isn't there a program on Al-Jazeera that runs down the actual history of the "spread" of Christianity and the number of crimes against humanity this religion has committed and is to this day?
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>This would be the true Jihad....which is anything BUT military force.

I wondered that too about Al Jazeera but I have found out the reality behind this network and they do not get engaged in such subjects. The other thing is Muslims should use their respect for Jesus as an inspiration to get involved in this and clear him up from this slander. Muslims have gone wrong because most of their works comes from Christians rather than from their own teachings. Had they paid attention to their own sources on Jesus they would have been the first ones to do this and it is a duty on Muslims to clear Jesus from the lies attributed to him. The early scholars of Islam and early commentators on the Quran were far better than some of the modern Muslim scholars because they did not rely on information from Christians at all. It was Ibn Abbas who first mentioned that there were 3 groups of which one lied and over exaggerated about Isa(as), another group that rejected him all together, and yet another group which were his true followers and did not survive because they were killed, persecuted and even fought suicidal wars.

This was already mentioned by Ibn Abbas and other early Muslim scholars long before the modern historians and scholars discovered more on the "historical Jesus" and came to find out that his followers were never called Christians and it was his own brother who was the leader of this movement. The modern Muslim scholars are still wasting their time trying to figure out which portions of the New Testament must be true and debating about contradictions rather than doing what some of the other Muslims(myself included) are doing and that is throw the New Testament aside as a total fabrication and looking elsewhere.

It really pisses me off seeing some of these Muslims so naively and ignorantly buying into Christian propaganda, as if Christian leaders don't know about the difficulties with its texts and that it is not the truth about Jesus. We may never be able to find out 100% everything Jesus ever taught or said, but we can get an idea of that and we can certainly refute what Christians say about him and do in his name. Some of the things we can 100% refute is for sure the destroying the Torah and bashing the pious Jews who striving and dying to uphold it, his preaching of the pagan doctrines such as he himself being God and that his followers must eat of his flesh and blood, preaching a doctrine of salvation based on his death, and preaching obedience to Rome, pay your taxes, love your enemy, turn the other cheek, love those who persecute you, etc. These are just a few silly things that can easily be refuted just by other evidence that we have outside the Bible, far more ancient and more reliable.

Just one example to prove that the historical Jesus could not have been as the Christian books describe is because his followers in Jerusalem who were led by James the Just were not willing to bow a knee, they fought, endured all kinds of torture and were willing to die just to free from occupation. There is no way Jesus could have preached "pay your taxes" "let's get along" and "just tolerate persecution and injustice". Such a messiah would not have last 2 hours during the time period he is supposed to have existed. There were angry Jewish mobs who were going around assassinating anyone and especially Jews who had sacrificed and bowed a knee to Rome. These people have chopped his head off if he had preached such crap. Yet if he did preach, "peace no matter what" "turn the other cheek", and "love your enemy" then his followers in Palestine would have been doing just that. But the historian Josephus tells a whole different story about these people and so do other ancient writings.

He tells us that these particular Jews "loved death if it comes with honor more than life itself with all the benefits" He further tells use that they stayed outside of Jerusalem, "purified" themselves ands prepared for a "jihad" like war. These are the followers of Jesus in Palestine we are talking about and not Christians who talk about "prince of peace" yet have been the number one killers in the world. Another simple reason we know that Jesus could not have been the harmless softy, the Greek looking hippy of Palestine because how can there be "peace" in a society where there is no "justice"? The two go hand in hand and he may have believed in a peaceful life as all normal human beings prefer but he would know too well that there could be no peace when the most pious Jews are being crucified by the thousands, they are not able to circumcise and they are over taxed to death on top of all. How could he preached "peace" and "let's get along" to a people who "love death with honor" more than anything else?

The above are just a few examples and this kind of gives a picture or an idea of what the historical Jesus was like. From the information in the Quran, we(Muslims) already know that Jesus was was a strong upholder of "the law", he was a prophet of God who came to free his people from the path they had taken, and that path they had taken was bowing a knee to Rome. He was also an upholder of monotheism and the idea of man becoming god or God becoming a man was blasphemous to the Orthodox Jews just as it is today. That is why they were unwilling to mix and sacrifice their "way". for Hellenization. There is much more out there about Jesus from more reliable sources than the Bible. The more we examine these works and the more does Christianity become ridiculous.

So it would be an honor and should be an inspiration to take this task as a Muslim and free Jesus from the slanders. When we do that, we free ourselves from Christian tyranny and slanders. This is the most effective way to expose them and it is not slander nor hate. They hate this subject and want to do anything to distract.



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