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=> Re: Jews.....

Re: Jews.....
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Friday, April 4 2014, 15:20:21 (UTC)
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Marcello wrote:
>I have to disagree with you on this. Yes, horrible shit happened to Jews. NO doubt. But at some point the use of "victim status" must stop. As Norman Finkelstein says:

...it can stop when victimizing people stops. To my mind nothing has materially changed for Jews in 1000 years. They are STILL being accused of "controlling everything"....they are now being blamed for Christian crimes in the MidEast...they always had wealthy members o the community, that is nothing new.
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>"Indeed, The Holocaust has proven to be an indispensible ideological weapon. Through its deployment, one of the world's most formidable military powers, with a horrendous human rights record, has cast itself as a "victim" state, and the most successful ethnic group in the United States has likewise acquired victim status."

....whoa. I see nothing but the usual, age old bias against Jews. What Israel does in the Palestine is a crime against humanity...Israel is a criminal nation....Zionism is Racism...I agree with all of that. Just as I agree that a 19 year-old who murders children is a great criminal. But, I ask myself how he got that way. I always do, and until 30 years ago, many Americans were also concerned with how young people became so devoid of humanity that they became such monsters...and we began asking, and looking into slums, and education and what passed for parenting...and just as some began to see the finger and point it at the society, the whole focus shifted and we found Jesus and returned to the Old Testament and started executing people, even retarded youngsters....'stop make excuses", we were told"..."cut the VICTIM crap"...Oh, oh, I wuz a bad kid cause my mommy beat me".....and the rest of it...we stopped trying to understand and instead started executing...all reasons were excuses...we barely admitted that women who suffer life-time abuse can sometimes kill their abusers and be justified....barely. And why? Because we realized that a person, or a people, can be so tormented and made INTO victims, that they react accordingly, they fight back, the shoot back, they use any means they can to even the score.
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>In liberal and progressive San Francisco, the City's residents are slowly becoming anti-Semitic. Why? Because Israeli techies who are making 200k or more working in Silicon Valley are making backroom deals with developers, buying property at high prices, gentrifying the City and driving out families who lived in SF for generations, and especially the low income folks, like the Mexicans who live in the historical Mission District, where tenants are being harassed to move out, so that the young, rich Israelis can usurp their neighborhoods


...sounds like the 1930s all over again. Are people becoming anti-Chinese in the same way? because the Chinese also did these things...so did the Japanese...so would ANYONE who had the chance. That is not a reason to become anti-Jew....not unless you were looking for an excuse.

-- which reminds me of Beverly Hills, Brooklyn, and Odessa Jews who illegally settle in Arab West Bank, taking the arable lands, the water, and are protected by the IDF, in addition to walking around armed with M-16s and Glock side arms, terrorizing Arab farmers and destroying their ancient olive trees (the symbol of peace) which have been there since the days of the Romans.

...agreed. But who did what to them FIRST? You seem to want to minimize the role of the Christian and just blame the Jews as if HE was responsible for what was done to him..and I'm afriad that notion lurks somewhere in the back of your head. Often I heard members of my family and our community say, "Fred, why do you think people have always hated the Jews"? By which they meant there must have been a good reason in the jews THEMSELVES that brought down such hatred on their heads..when in reality it has been the STUPIDITY and religion of Christians that did these things.

I will never blame a child alone...I will always look to the parents and the community....most children, the vast majority, are born with a capacity to be decent and fair...that we turn out so many monsters is OUR fault, not a child's.
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>I'd also like you to watch this 5 min. clip of former Zionist Sir Gerald Kaufman:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEVLo311ng
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>In conclusion, and to be fair, I despise Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, and any-fuckin'-body (including Assyrians, Iranians, or whatever) who feel they're owed something because they were once victims. The only people I respect are those who were victims but maintained their humanity by not victimizing another people.



...Jews ARE victims...they HAVE been victims....it hasn't stopped just because they can buy expensive houses (and, apparently, get hated all over again for THAT)...there are certain whiney, cowardly things a victim will do, that ALL victims do....the question is; are Jews RACIALLY victims..is it in their BLOOD...or was something done to MAKE them that way. I choose to focus on what was DONE to them and not try to blame their RESPONSE, no matter how odious I happen to find it...the greater is what was done to Jews, not what they have done as a consequence......let Christians leave Muslims alone and let's see what they do...let Christians leave Jews alone and maybe they can stop being victims.



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