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Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam
Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Thursday, November 1 2007, 23:35:34 (CET)
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Brother Jumbalat, I tried to prevent this from turning into a interfaith debate or dialogue, but I am gonna have to say a few words to your post. With all due respect, as far as fake religions go, no religion is more fake than Christianity, are you kidding me? Jesus(pbuh) was an Israelite and his religion was the same as the Jews. He brought no new laws, he brought no new religion, but came only to fulfil scriptures. Christianity occured 300 years after Jesus(pbuh) and it had hardly anything to do with him. He endorsed the same religion and message as Moses (pbuh). He was the Messiah, and,unfortunately, the real concept of the Messiah does not go hand in hand with Christian imahination of a westernized hippy walking around in the desert with blond hair blue eyes, and preaching nothing but peace even to the agressors and oppressors. Obviously you are not aware of the real picture since you get all your sources from the New Testament only. Go read books written around the time, and a little before the birth of Jesus (pbuh) and you will know that what we hear from the modern Bible can not be true but is a mere fabrication.

The Jews were oppressed at the time of Jesus(pbuh) and before he came. There was something called Hellenism that was going on in the land of Judea. Most Jews had become influenced by this western pagan culture. The orthodox Jews were not allowed to circumcise or practice their religion, yet still had to pay high taxes and were persecuted. If they were caught circumcising, they would put to death the child and the person carrying out the act. The orthodox Jews were so miserable at the time they were looking for a liberator, now where does Messiah fit into that picture? let's see, the oppressed Jews were looking for the Messiah who would liberate them from this and restore the orthodox monotheistic faith. There were Jewish rebels running around assasinating the Jews who were in favor of Hellenism, and thousands of Jews were crucified all the time. Crucifixion was not something special as you see in the Christian movies with the two crimminals, but this was something that was happening to rebellios Jews all the time. Therefore, they were fed up and formed many rebellions and uprisings.

If Jesus (pbuh) had really went around preaching give to Cesar what is Cesar's and to God what is God's, he would not need to worry about getting crucified after 3 years but he would have been killed in a matter of hours by the fed up orthodox Jews. So the false image that Christians have painted contradicts the real Jesus (pbuh) and the messiah. Jesus was orthodox and he would not allow paganism mixed with the belief of his people. You constantly say Christianity is personal and spirtual, but you are wrong. If you mean by Christianity being all that with the fact that it was invented centuries after Jesus(pbuh), no problem, but please don't say Jesus did this or said that because that did not happen. The religion of Jesus (pbuh) is the saqme religion that all the Israelites had and that is a faith which rules by the laws of the Torah. Since Christianity was formed afterwards, and for a whole different reason, you see what you see. It is a mixture of Judaism and western beliefs, and they twisted the religion to suit their desires.

While you go around attacking Muslims and Jews, you fail to see your own religion. The religion of the Israelites and the religion that Muhammad (pbuh) was preaching was all the same general belief. Religions are all man made and Islam is not a religion but a full complete way of life. We have spiritual and and earthly guidance. That goes for Judaism too. In reality it is the same faith as Islam only that the Jews didn't go all the way by accepting Jesus and Muhammad(pbut)but fell short. But in general, one can always see the similarities between the two and that as the Quran states because the truth is the same and the true faith has always been the same from the beinning. Whether you look at ancient pagan religions, hinduism, buddism, zorostarism, Ashurism, etc, the true concept of God is always there, but people made changes to suit their desires.

You really think by carrying the label Christian that makes you a follower of Jesus(pbuh)? Was Jesus a Christian or did he claim to bring a new religion, new laws, or anything like that? the answer is "hell no" he did not at all, but he contoinued the same faith. So according to the teachings of Jesus (pbuh) his followers must worship God alone and must obey the commandments (the Torah or old testament laws) so where do you get the idea you can do anything you like? that is Christianity, but that is not the religion of Jesus (pbuh). The next time you decide to attack other faiths look at your first because no religion can be disproving more easily than Christianity since its very foundations are weak contradicting. So please, let's keep this an Assyrian thing instead of a religious debate.

But while we on the subject of religion and peace. You boast about peace, love and harmony, yet the vast majority of the so called Christians prove the contrary. You said what did Spain do to deserve the Muslim rule? ask the poor Jews and Christians who were oppressed and persecuted under Christian Spanish rulers, and Muslims ruled the land for 800 years and there was peace, love and propserity. Europeans from e;sewhere came to Andalus(Muslim Spain) to learn many things. The Muslims left after 800 years, and guess what? the vast majority of Spaniards were still Christians, and most are either Christian or Atheists now. Actually Atheism is growing among them now, but nonetheless, Muslims did the right thing there for 800 years. Sme with the Ottoman Muslims who ruled eastern Europe and the Middle East, all propsrerd and survived under the Islamic rule for centuries, yet in Christian lands such things were not allowed. Christianity has proven to be very violent and intolerant, and most of the people who speak of love peace and unity are far from it. Wherever Muslims went, the former people were living in dark ages and were oppressed by their rulers and Muslims did not go to make their lives kiserable but rather show the right way. That is the explanation for CNN and all the rest of Christian netweorks which constantly ask why is Islam so large and so fast growing, that is because we have a full complete way of life with guidance in all fields. We don't have to follow our own desires, but we know the healthy way, of living, sleeping, eating, and everything else. Even non Muslims have freedom, rights and protection under Sharia, as you said Christianity deals with only faith in God, but that is not from Jesus (pbuh) that is your desires, and the religion was formed to make money and enslave ppl to humanity.

I have nothing against Christian people, but their attacks and their hipcracies amaze me. There is a difference between oppression, and liberation, there is difference between persecution and prosecution, but it seems that the two are mixed up lately by some people. So, my brother Jumbalat, as I stated before I don't want this to be a religious debate, but you keep binging up religion into this and this proves your intolerance and dislike for others, but if you say your an Assyrian, why are promoting Christianity instead? why don't you admit that it is a Christian thing and you shouldn't be sneaky about it? Is Assyrian and Christianity from the same root words? Again you started the attacks and I am simply setting the record straight. If Christianity is great for you, more power to you, and if it don't work for the millions more who leave it, and those who don't even look at it, that is their choice. You can't give guidance nor can I, but that is something that God has to give. So rethink your position before you attack other religions and label them as fake.

Peace be with you.



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