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Re: Jumblat and the Arabs
Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Thursday, May 1 2008, 8:32:02 (CEST)
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That is why whenever your clowns are given pleanty of time to prove just one case in which the Quran copied from your book which contains pornography and conflicts in one book, you people can never produce evidence. I would challenge you any day to such dialogue or debate about the Quran and Bible if you have the guts to do so. But I will shut you up here and now.

You argue that Quran is copied from Bible and you say so without proof but because there are mentions of Jesus, Moses and their stories. However, just because something is mentioned in the Bible and is also mentioned in the Quran that does not mean it was copied. If there is only 1 Creator and only one truth, it has to be the same. If you weren't so ignorant and prejudice and were willing to study the Quran and try to understand the entire message, you would know what one of the main purposes of the Quran and Prophet Muhammad were. He was sent to confirm what came before him and not to invent a new religion as the Christians did. So if he were sent to confirm the past and clear up some of the lies and slanders against Jesus(as) it is only logic that it will speak of them. After all, Islam is not a new religion but the same universal way of all the prophets and that includes Jesus and Moses. You will find similarities between Quran and other books as well such as the Hindu scriptures, or the books of the Aborigenees and natives of West Papua, the Zulu and all others, so what did Muhammad go to all those areas and copy all these scriptures and do a great job without mistakes or contradicting?

As for your Bible copy claim, this is the most absurd and long rejected by scholars and historians who have studied both the Quran and the Bible. Anyone who reads and compares both can see that it could never have been copied. Firstly, the Quran is a master piece in Arabic with its poetic style and the amazing way it is recited out loud like a long song. No mortal could have ever produced a book by copying it from scriptures of foreign languages and then translate it into Arabic in such a powerful and poetic style that the greatest Arab poets could not imitate or even compete with. Secondly, although as mentioned above, there are stories of Moses, Noha and others(may peace be upon them all) found in both Bible and Quran, there is a great difference between them. For example, the flood of Noha is mentioned in the Bible and it claimed that all mankind and the entire earth was flooded. The Quran mentions the flood of Noha as well but states that it was a local event which involved only the people of Noha and not all of mankind. The Bible states that Noha had to bring with of from every animal a pair on the ark, but from Islamic sources we know that it was only animals like cattle etc only for the purpose to survive off of them until other animals would once again enter the area. Nontheless, the Quran states it was a local flood and Bible claims it was world wide and all mankind were killed.

There is a great difference between the entire Biblical version and Quranic version. The same goes for Adam and Eve and their story. The Bible states that Adam and Eve would die if they ate from the tree even though they lived for 950 years after that, but Quran never states they would die. The entire Adam and Eve story was just an example that mankind will have a choice to obey and disobey the Creator. After all, they were both forgiven after they repented and in Islam there is no "original sin" but "original forgiveness". Again the story is totally different in the two books. The creation of universe and man is totaly different in the Bible from the Quran and why did Muhammad not copy that? Why doesn't the Quran claim that Mankind was created the same time as universe and that the flood of Noha happen 200 years after Adam? Why doesen't the Quran give a timeline or even support the Biblical Timeline? After all, Muhammad must have thought the Bible to be from God and without error.

Another example is the story of Moses and Egypt. According to the Bible, all the leaders of Egypt are referred to as "Pharaos" including during the time of the Prophet Joseph(as). During the time period of Josoph, Egypt was ruled by the hykos dynasty which was not even ethnic Egyptian and it did not have a "Pharao" but rather a "king". In case you are ignorant, a "pharao" is not a king but a religious figure like a god in Egyptian culture. The Bible referrs to both the rulers of Egypt as "pharos" during the time of Moses and Joseph. However, the Quran has it right by calling the ruler of Egypt in the time of Joseph as "king" and during the time of Moses as "pharao". Why or how come Muhammad didn't copy that from the Bible? How would he have known that this would be proven historically incorrect in the future? this is not something he would have avoided but would have naively copied since your Bible is supposed to be the "word of God" despite it's contradictions and porn stories.

Then we got Moses and his people who were freed from Egypt by God. The stories are mentioned by both books, but the Quranic version does not end with the Biblical version but goes a step further to claim that the body of "pharao" would be a preserved and would serve as a "sign for future generations". In case you missed it, the body that was found off the shores of Egypt about a century ago was not a mummy but it was a dead body which somehow had somehow remained intact for over 3000 years. It was flown all over the world and shown in museums everywhere. The scientists which were able to study this finding were able to confirm that this person was killed by "drowning" and had a shock. The body is still intact and one of the scientists who wad from France a Christian at the time (Marice Bucaile) converted to Islam after this event. He even has a book about Quran and the Bible and science.

Any historian or honest scholar has refuted the bogus claim made by ignorant Christians like and only people like you still make such claims. I was told the same garbage all my life untilo I read the Quran for myself and it even brought me to Islam because I could no longer resist or deny the truth of Islam. The above are enough to refute you but if you need more I can continue.

Your arguements are old and stupid just like Muslims killed Christians and Assyrians and the Quran is racist. First bring your evidence for your previous claims and then jump to another topic.



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