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Re: Mini you
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Sunday, January 13 2008, 22:45:30 (CET)
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MiniMe wrote:
>“Today Assyrians know about Gilgamesh and Napishtum coming before Noah and Sargon being set adrift in a basket before Moses,”
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>*True.
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>“ but they didn’t until the Europeans dug their history up for them.”
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>*So? What’s your point?

...that they forgot they were Assyrians...became exclusively Christians and only "discovered" they were Assyrians when the Euros dug them up. That's a very strange way to be "proudAssyrians"; when you forget all about it. The larger point is that there are no direct descendants to the Assyrians today...it's something Nestorians picked up on to get themselves a country...you know, like they were a "nation".
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>“We forgot our history and culture for centuries and believed the bible instead.”
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>*And we did... Should we drop and forget about it now because we lost track of it before?

...it isn't "dropping" now. It was "dropped" long ago. We have no way knowing what we are except Iraqi Christians and Persian Christians and Turkish Christians...just like there are English Christians and French Christians. It's absurd to make such claims as we do...no one believes it and it will get us nothing but scorn....
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>“So keep that in mind when you tell us that everything started with Assyrians. It may have, but we forgot it long ago.”
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>*And other people in the world has, not only forgotten it’s past, it has also vanished forgotten from the face of the planet. Are you saying people shouldn’t remember once they have forgotten something?

...I'm saying it isn't "remembering" at all. It's "picking it up and applying it to yourself because you think you can gain some credibility from it". Go ahead....be anything you want.
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>“Of course the Hebrews took from other civilizations, but apparently they valued what they stole more than we who created it.”
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>*Naturally, because we “forgot it”, remember?

...had we EVER been Assyrians we never would have forgotten it. The Hebrews, who couldn't build a toilet to save their lives managed to keep the memory of their embarrassing civilization alive all these years. How come they valued theirs and we didn't value ours? The reason is that we forgot our Assyrian language, as Sumerians forgot theirs, and adopted Aramaic instead...as the Sumerians adopted Akkadian...neither Sumerians nor the Assyrians "disappeared" off the face of the earth....but their culture allowed them to blend and mix since they weren't as fanatical as the Hebrews about purity of blood and that means we drifted away from our culture till we got lost in the others which dominated that region. Today anyone can claim to be a descendant of the ancient Assyrians, Sumerians, Hittites or Babylonians, or Druids or Celts...there's no way to judge the validity of such claims since, in our case, none of us speak the original language of the Assyrians or follow their original religion...kebob don't make you Assyrian.

..all we've done is taken our Christian faith and culture and called it "Assyrian".
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> “Would it have been so hard for Assyrians to have kept one book all those years,”
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>*Obviously it was. Otherwise they would have kept a book... (consider all the invasions and the circumstances they went through since the fall of the Assyrian Empire)

...that's a poor excuse. As we never tire of saying it was Nestorian scribes who worked copying Greek texts...the Hebrews kept their holy book through all sorts of upheavals and losses...if nothing else the oral tradition would have survived to be copied down at various times. But the fact that nothing survived from that era, except what was dug up later, indicates that for whatever reason the survivors of the fall of Nineveh chose to forget their own history....how many times have we heard that we must NOT forget our language because if we do it will mean "forgetting who we are"? Oddly enough we already have forgotten because the language we're now warned to never forget isn't even Assyrian...we forgot our Akkadian/Assyrian language...the language all our own history was written in...just as we warn today, we forgot the Assyrian language and with it forgot we were Assyrians.
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>“as the Jews kept their bible, where we recorded our own ancient history, heroes, legends, myths, wars, prophets, as they did and as they taught US all about us from them?”
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>*It isn’t too late anyway, things are coming out and refreshing everything...

...sure, you can recreate a past, call yourself Assyrian, claim you're Ashurbanipal's grandson...it does no harm. Except when you think to use it to pry land or "special rights" from anyone...then it falls flat on its face.
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>“Every civilization back then had laws, taught its young to honor parents, condemned theft and adultery and urged people to be law abiding and decent in their private lives. The, Egyptians, Babylonians, Hittites and Assyrians taught these things and even they took from earlier cultures. Nothing was new back then or original to anybody….except for one thing; the Messiah. Show us anywhere in Assyrian history where people longed for a Savior. The Hebrews desperately needed “heavenly hosts” and a fantastic general….the Assyrians had those things. Their King David was a thief, adulterer, traitor. Not a brick of Solomon’s Temple has ever been found so what kind of “empire” did he have? “
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>*True
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>“The Old Testament is a collection of nonsense the world could well do without. Our tragedy is that we try to govern our lives and relationships according to the precepts of half-savages of 3000 years ago….except we have nuclear weapons now to REALLY smite ourselves with. The sooner we dump ALL that crap, including the New Testament, the sooner we can save this planet.”
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>*Agreed
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>“the hell with heaven…I want earth.”
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>Hell and heaven are here on earth. We experience them while we are alive depending on how we think and live... Anyone tells you otherwise is delusional.

...and so is anyoen who tells you the Assyrians taught the Jews about a Messiah...or cannibalism and vampirism...these were never part of Assyrian beliefs or rituals and yet they are the core of Christianity....the Assyrians had only what all religions and people have in common with Christianity; which is basic humanitarian practises and beliefs...the fine points of Christianity belong to the Jews....not the Assyrians.



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