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Re: One more, pancho.

Posted by Fareed (Guest) - Sunday, April 29 2012, 4:59:15 (UTC) from 58.165.180.142 - CPE-58-165-180-142.nsw.bigpond.net.au Australia - Windows Codename Longhorn - Mozilla Website: Website title:

“...yes, but it depends where you GET that information from, and who does the INTERPRETING. What you´re really saying is that this is all just OPINION..and why isn´t your opinion as good as Joseph´s... A historian bases his work on how he INTERPRETS the information he’s working on, pure and simple. There are others in a more accurate sciences than history who proved Dr Joseph’s INTERPRETATION to be wrong. For example, there is a book that has done a SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS of Dr Josephs book, and proved it false... It is called “Ancient and modern Assyrians”. So why wouldn’t you accept that? Or work like that of Simo Parpola and others? You don’t accept it if I disagree with Dr Joseph because I’m not an expert in his field. Yet, you disagree with any expert in whatever field and see yourself justified in doing it? So what exactly is your logic here? I can’t disagree with an expert because I am not one? But you on the other hand, also not an expert, are entitled to disagree with any of them? You seriously have a huge reasoning glitch... “would you also say your opinions of particle physics should be placed next to Einsteins? Well, you would, if Einstein was assyrian!!!” You ask questions that are weird and irrelevant. You seem to forget what I say and why I say it... I told you before that Mathematics, and Physics to some degree, are the only sciences based on Facts... History and Ethnicity, which is our subject now are no Maths or Physics. However, to answer your question about my opinion vs Einstein’s, I say No. I don’t place my opinion on physics next to his. What I’m saying is that I can disagree with Einstein if I happen to agree with another scientist who proved him wrong... ...we´re saying read the fucking book and REFUTE it, but not with YOUR opinions or ainas... How in the world do you ASSUME that I haven’t read any books about that and I get my opinions from aina? Do you see the problem with your logic and conclusions? Seriously! How old are you, pancho? “after all Jóseph isn´t giving us HIS opinions but the STATEMENTS of respected and known historians...” We can get to that once you understand that ANY historian’s statement is an INTERPRETATION of what he perceives... You may need to learn what Perception is and how it dictates interpretations... Not to mention all the other factors like bias, for example... you can do the same for your side...where are they? What do you have besides Abgar, aina, Aprim and what else? We can get to that once you understand the difference between facts and opinions... “..see, because all you péople ever do is give opinions, without bothering to know much, except what you hear in church or from family and then only if it pleases you, you actually think historians and experts and Joseph are doing to SAME! They are not....silly.” From that, I’m beginning to guess your age now. You are obviously much younger than I initially thought... However, I want to say the same thing you say to others: READ OTHER BOOKS so you know more... Hopefully you have room for improving your logic. ...fine...go and bring them to us. Joseph is using FACTS as written down by the few historians who are actually and professionaly aware of this field... You just don’t get it do you? Let me say it again... No historian’s work is based on facts... It is only an interpretation of what they perceive.... Why is this so hard for you to understand? If that wasn’t the case, you wouldn’t have historians popping up every day and rewriting (RE-INTERPRETING) the events of the past.... Don’t you read and think? “it´s all there in the historical record...no need to get fancy of overheated...there is clear evidence that Chaldeans were named first, not Assyrians, and that the Catholics did it...” What historical records are you talking about? Those mentioned first in the bible and others based on that? You are silly... Very silly to believe that your bible’s “historical records” and any records based on it are facts.... He has sections where he gives his interpretation...but mostly he uses sources, historical sources which show how these names were INVENTED..he is giving us the HISTORY of the APPEARANCE of those NAMES...he has no business with the genes of the people of the Middle East...he didn´t CHOOSE the information...it is THE information known to scholars....assyrioogists are expert in ancient Assyrian history, not modern... I see. So Dr Joseph is not an expert in Ancient Assyrian history, but he’s sure that they all disappeared and don’t exists as modern Assyrians.... Nice logic, right? “ ...no, as the historical record shows...obviously you haven´t read the book...no wonder you are a champion for everyone´s OPINION.” I don’t need to read the whole book to recognise falsity and stupidity.... Have you read all the bible? So who’s the champion on every one’s opinion? “..the trouble with logic, as our people use it, is that it only seems logical so long as you don´t know very much...with three facts to your head it´s easy to use them "logically"...” Does that apply to you too by any chance? “but with the writings and teachings of 300 expert historians...it becomes more a challenge to remain "logical"...you discard all that is known, and , using what your parents told you, come to a "logical" conclusion that Mom and Dad were right.” So silly... Very silly.... How old are you? “..he is past 90, tired and busy...I have talked to him...in fact he is married to a cousin and he reminded me a while back that he and I had a conversation when I was starting the Ashurbanipal monument back in 1982...he tried, gently, to enlighten me but I was full of myself as a HERO, descended from Ashurbanipal...so he says he let it go, as it would have been cruel to burst my bubble and determination to build an Assyrian monument...we have communicated by email and he has said nothing that changes anything.” He must be a very good man for letting it go and not bursting your bubble... I wonder how many people are like him? And since you obviously admire him, did you by any chance pick up any good qualities like that from him? “..it is not his interpretation...you keep saying that and I can understand why...” I’ve done what I could to explain it... Maybe it’s time you find the answer from some one else... “because all your "knowledge" is based on how YOU have "interpreted" this supposed history...Jospehs writing wouldn´t have been published by Princeton University and Brill if they were just his OPINIONS...no academic or scholar can get away with that...they my ADD their conclusions, but only at the end of a string of citations which can be verified showing WHERE they got their interpretation from....that is the world of academic scholarship...that is how you get a PhD and get hired to teach at universitis...you don´t get there by having OPINIONS...that is how aina and ankawa and others work...not accredited historians.” The same applies to the bible and all those who got their PhD on it..... Do you agree with them? Any problems with your logic here, AGAIN? What in the world is wrong with you, really? “..you are claiming to be the direct descendant of Ashurbanipal and Sargon II and Tiglathpilessar while I say "nonsense"...and I am the NARCISSIST....ME?” I guess you don’t really know what a Narcissist is... Never mind... Sorry. “...I WAS a Narcissist when I thought I was descended from Ashurbanipal...people tried to make a Narcissit out of me when they told me I was the "greatest Assyrian sculptor we ever had" and I had to remind them I was the ONLY assyrian sculptor they had. Obviously you don´t know me, or who you are. I´m the fool who now has a bogus "history" of the assyrian peepil on his fucking MONUMENT, out there, in public, with his name on it..who now says I was wrong...some Narcissit.” Hmmmm... So that’s who you are... I have seen your work before and I see the one on your web page. But I never thought it was yours or you... My apologies... I am really moved. And I must admit, if what you say is true, I am glad and proud to have come in contact with you... I just don't see the reason for your insistence and certainty about what you think.... If you don't know what defines an ethnicity (Assyrian), then you can't say with certainty to someone calling himself one that he is not.... After all, everything we think is just an opinion... Mine... Yours... Others.... We don’t have to bash and degrade those who think differently..... Have a great day. Thank You --------------------- - BACK TO INDEX - REPLY - QUOTE - EDIT - DELETE -

The full topic: One more, pancho. Fareed - Saturday, April 28 2012, 3:24:33 (UTC) Re: One more, pancho. Rashad - 04/28 10:29 Re: One more, pancho. pancho - 04/28 17:14 Re: One more, pancho. Rashad - 04/28 21:05 Rashed Fareed - 04/29 03:37 Re: Rashed Rashad - 04/29 05:25 Re: One more, pancho. pancho - 04/28 17:09 Re: One more, pancho. Fareed - 04/29 04:59 Re: One more, pancho. pancho - 04/29 17:35 Two Quotes From Joseph For You Fareed... pancho - 04/29 17:42 Not again, please. Fareed - 04/30 00:22 Re: Not again, please. pancho - 04/30 00:47

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