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Re: Pancho will like this!
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Tuesday, November 1 2011, 22:10:17 (UTC)
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Arrow wrote:
>> ...which is worse: having a code of ethics which tells you to kill and which you obey...or one which tells you not to, but which you disobey?
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>= In the second case, the problem is the disobeyer. In the first, its the codes themselves.

...yes but what if you disobey the commandment to kill...are you a good person or a bad one? We claim that Islam teaches violence, demands it...and that Christianity prohibits it....yet which religion has produced the most violent people? Obviously Christianity...name one war any Muslim nation began in the last 200 years. If Christians won't listen to their own codes, what good are they?
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>> But I think you're mistaken...there was indeed a code which the Church used allowing it to kill your body if that would save your soul. Their rationale was that it was so awful to continue a life in sin thereby damning your soul to hell..better to be forgiven by the Church even at the cost of your physical life,
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>= “Thou shalt not kill”. There are no exceptions. In order circumvent it, one has to come up with a separate and contradictory code of ethics. There was a time when the church banned the bible specifically for this reason. It was illegal for anyone to hold possession of it. The church wanted to have its own way and the bible was an obstacle.

...I think that was only so that people wouldn't find out that the power structure of the Church didn't exist in the bible...it wasn't to keep the ten commandments a secret. The Church has never believed in not killing....never, not from its first days and not today. It's fine and good to say about Christian killers that they are not "real" Christians....but they believe they are and it doesn't matter anyway to the one being killed....if a medicine failed as often as this "moral code" it would be removed from shelves...even if only one percent proved negative....this religion needs to be removed from circulation...it has done more harm that good...far far more harm.
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>> ...all of which the Church indulged in. Remember that the Christian Church only reformed itself when forced to...
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>= Nonetheless, it is a religion that can be reformed to stay in pace with modernity.

...then it never came from God...you can't reform God...all you've proved is that religion is man-made.


It is difficult to do so with other religions without directly coming to clash with its tenets on issues such as equal rights to women and freedom of speech.

....what? How many Christians, never mind pagans, were killed by the Church? The Church imposes silence on its members...it keeps silent about child abuse and still won;t allow equal rights to women who wish to be equal to men as priests...let alone divorce, contraception and abortion.
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>> ...what spiritual dimension are you talking about?
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>= I have no idea! I just said it like that. But I will look into it get back to it later.

...do that. They've been killing each other for power since they began.
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>> Besides it isn't symbolic....people weep at the sight today....that execution is real in their minds....it's a horrible sight intended to foster guilt, nothing more holy than that.
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>= What then do you have to say about the Shia processions? They recount with gruesome details how Imam Hussein met his end. They pound their chests, whip themselves with chains and injure their foreheads, deliberately drawing blood.


...yes, but so do many Christian ascetics. But, they don't extoll human sacrifice as a way of washing away the sins of the village or congregation...that's purely and uniquely Christian.



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