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Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Tuesday, February 26 2008, 20:51:10 (CET)
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AssyrianMuslim wrote:
>Here is a little regarding "sedition" which the nationalists seem to be unaware of. These are in the U.S, and Australia.
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>U.S.
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>The Espionage Act made it a crime to help wartime enemies of the United States, but the Sedition Act made it a crime to utter, print, write or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the United States' form of government.
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>U.S. citizens, including members of the Industrial Workers of the World union, were also imprisoned during World War I for their anti-war dissent under the provisions of the Sedition Act. Anti-war protesters were arrested by the hundreds as speaking out against the draft and the war became illegal under this law.
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>Australia
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>During the First World War Sedition laws were used against those who opposed conscription and war, in particular the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) in Australia [1]. In 1916 members of the IWW in Perth were charged with sedition including 83 year old Montague Miller, known as the grand old man of the labour movement. Miller was released after serving a few weeks of his sentence but was re-arrested in 1917 in Sydney at the age of 84 and sentenced to six months jail with hard labour at Long Bay Gaol on the charge of belonging to an unlawful association [2]. The Sydney Twelve were all charged and convicted with various offences including sedition.
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>The last prosecution was in 1960, when Department of Native Affairs officer Brian Cooper was prosecuted for urging "the natives" of Papua New Guinea to demand independence from Australia. He was convicted, and committed suicide four years later, after losing his appeal.
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>Additionally, it is now specifically illegal to [urge] a person to assist the enemy:
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>(a) the person urges another person to engage in conduct; and
>(b) the first-mentioned person intends the conduct to assist, by any means whatever, an organisation or country; and
>(c) the organisation or country is:
>(i) at war with the Commonwealth, whether or not the existence of a state of war has been declared; and
>(ii) specified by Proclamation made for the purpose of paragraph 80.1(1)(e) to be an enemy at war with the Commonwealth.
>or to [urge] a person to assist those engaged in armed hostilities:
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>(a) the person urges another person to engage in conduct; and
>(b) the first-mentioned person intends the conduct to assist, by any means whatever, an organisation or country; and
>(c) the organisation or country is engaged in armed hostilities against the Australian Defence Force.
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>Seditious Intention
>Section 24 defined a seditious intention as [a]n intention to effect any of the following purposes:
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>(a) to bring the Sovereign into hatred or contempt;
>(d) to excite disaffection against the Government or Constitution of the Commonwealth or against either House of the Parliament of the Commonwealth;
>(f) to excite Her Majesty's subjects to attempt to procure the alteration, otherwise than by lawful means, of any matter in the Commonwealth established by law of the Commonwealth; or
>(g) to promote feelings of ill-will and hostility between different classes of Her Majesty's subjects so as to endanger the peace, order or good government of the Commonwealth;
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>Seditious Words
>Section 24B defined seditious words as words expressive of a seditious intention, and Section 24D(1) specified that [a]ny person who, with the intention of causing violence or creating public disorder or a public disturbance, writes, prints, utters or publishes any seditious words shall be guilty of an indictable offence punishable by [i]mprisonment for 3 years
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>Sedition
>Subdivision 80.2 of the proposed legislation (as amended) specifically criminalises Urging the overthrow of the Constitution or Government:
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>(1) A person commits an offence if the person urges another person to overthrow by force or violence:
>(a) the Constitution; or
>(b) the Government of the Commonwealth, a State or a Territory; or
>(c) the lawful authority of the Government of the Commonwealth.
>Similarly, it introduces the offence of [urging] another person to interfere by force or violence with lawful processes for an election of a member or members of a House of the Parliament, and Urging violence within the community:
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>(a) the person urges a group or groups (whether distinguished by race, religion, nationality or political opinion) to use force or violence against another group or other groups (as so distinguished); and
>(b) the use of the force or violence would threaten the peace, order and good government of the Commonwealth.

So these "Assyrian Nationalists" think they are heros when arrested for breaking the laws of the countries they live in? Or are the countries in the Middle East not allowed to arrest and prosecute for sedition? These "champions of Assyria" mistaken "prosecution" with "persecution" but the two are not the same and what Maggie and the rest are talking about or promoting is a crime and, therefore, if any of them is arrested by the Kurdish government, Turkish, Iraqi, U.S., etc, they are not being "persecuted" as they like to believe but they are "arrested" and being "prosecuted for breaking the law". As the common American saying goes, "you don't wanna do the time then don't do the crime". We already see the kind of things they promote on their "free and democratic forums". where only people with their prejudices can write freely and any challenge or differen't view is not tolerated; they would be arrested and even prosecuted in any country for such activity.

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Watching the Next Blunder pancho - Tuesday, February 26 2008, 18:04:32 (CET)
- Like I Said... pancho - 02/26 20:22
  - Re: Like I Said... AssyrianMuslim - 02/26 20:59
- Sedition AssyrianMuslim - 02/26 20:40
  - Re: Sedition AssyrianMuslim - 02/26 20:51
  - Wow... pancho - 02/26 23:45
    - Re: Wow... AssyrianMuslim - 02/27 03:02

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