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pancho wrote: >...that rebellion by Christians in the Ottoman Empire first began a few centuries back? > Technically the rebellion actually began when the Ottomans took over the Middle East which had previously been predominantly Christian. But yes I do agree that had been a history stoked by the West of Christian vs Muslim emnity. >...that Christians took sides with invading Russian armies from the earliest times and along with them committed atrocities, murder and theft and confiscation of Muslims lands etc., including the forced removal of Muslims from their homes, making refugess out of them etc? > More like select Christian leaders were bought off and offered homelands by the barbaric West in exchange for carving up the sick man of Europe. >...that these same conditions prevailed at the start of WW I...that is, that Christian militias collected arms and banded together to fight on behalf of the Allies against their own government? (please remember that weīre not talking about irrestible WINDS or how fair or nice the government was, just that it was the LEGAL government etc. Native Americans didnīt much care for the government of the United States but that was no defense when they rebelled against it.) Before WW1 the European Empires controlled 84% of the globe and when they ran out of further places to occupy they turned on each other and carved up the sick man of Europe. > >...that during an insurrection governments are justified in using whatever means necessary to survive...and that Turks should not be held to a higher standard than say Germans...or the British...or the Americans (putting down the South in the American Civil War wasnīt "nice" either). > Granted governments are allowed to put down an insurrection but they also have a responsibility to protect the vast majority who are innocent in all this and ensure that they are not murdered, raped etc. >...that the Turks have explained all this many many times and said how unfortunate it all was but that THEY did not instigate either the attacks by the Russians in the 17th century OR WW I...and that no one who advocates genocide has ever mentioned the massacres of innocent Muslims by Christian militias...not to mention the totaly illegal war waged against Turkey in the first place just because it was a "sick old man....of Europe"....with lots and lots of oil? > >...one last thing and that is that it is extrememly important who starts things....if I kill someone, itīs murder...but if someone else STARTED an attack on me, and I kill him, itīs self-defense. It seems to me that to ask that we not consider who started that war and the insurrection but only focus on what the Turks did, is so prejudiced and biased and illogical that Iīm surprised you would go that far to justify your claims. Who started what is the CORE of the issue....or a central one. > >...any agreement here? Yes but but the Turks didn't just kill the Christian in self defense they killed him and they wiped out his family and shot his dog. And while they had every right to kill the insurgents they were not justified in killing his family and dog. --------------------- |
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