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Re: To Assyrian Muslim and Pancho
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Monday, October 22 2007, 8:28:57 (CEST)
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>It is ironic that a person to have an argument with you people , because there is no end to your ignorance and hallucination.

...that is not "irony". Who's ignorant?

...those are merely words...they mean nothing except to indicate that you have nothing to say. Like I said, you repeat once, maybe twice and that's it.
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>You people everything BAD in Christianity, the whole Christianity is liable and responsible for it, while in the same token EVERYTHING BAD in ISLAM which are tons and tons to you are ATTRIBUTED to certain individuals or to the west itself.

..hardly...it is you Christians who take the worst example among Muslims and tell the world this is "typical". I'm just doing the same to you. But nevertheless, it is true that in the last 200 years it has been Christianity and not Islam that has waged murderous wars against the world. That's simply the truth...if it's an "ignorant" statement, as you claim...then prove me wrong. Name one World War brought by Muslims...and name the weapons manufacturers in Muslim countries....show us how educated you are.

>Could you for sake of GOD tell me what kind of mentality you possess, what about everything in Christianity too is done by a handful of people too, I am sure you don't accept that.

...hardly a handful. It took more than a handful to fight two World Wars...and it takes more than a handful to pay for the war agsinst Iraq. Islam has been on the defensive...not the offensive. You Christians tried to solve your Jewish "problem" by stealing the lands of the Palestinians...the misery and disruption and instability in the MidEast was brought about by your actions. If it's true that Islam has its own peoblems then they deserve the right to solve their own problems....it was only 150 years ago that the Christian United States split into two Christian sides in a Civil War with brother killing brother...and all over the issue of slavery...stealing Black people to work them to death and rape them to create more "merchandise".

...It isn't a handful. And those of you, like the "good" Germans, make it possible for the rest to act in your name...even Mafia families have members in the priesthood and college.
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>Then you Muslim Assyrian why you don't comment on the BARBARIC action that your MUSLIMS try to beheading a Muslim woman for any kind of adultery

...Christians, in France, as early as the 1960s got away with killing their wives for adultery...one woman was forced to sit on a hot stove by her Christian husband until she burned to death...in a modern Christian country. Adultery in Europe a few hundred years ago was a capital offense with the man and woman tied together and thrown in a river to drown...it seems these religions make people bloodthirsty...it wasn't your religion which became civilized, it was our civil law that tamed it...just as the church itself did nothing about their pedophiles except move them around so they could get fresh meat...had the civil authorities not forced the issue those priests would be fucking children to this day...as they still are.

...the barbarity you mention is one on one...what you Christians have done is institutionalize murder...for the Muslim woman beheaded for adultery you Christians have killed hundreds of thousands of wives, mothers and daughters...what was their crime?

, while your men roam Europe , Americas and other places as Thailand with CASES of Cash money doing all kind of adultery they find while most of them are government officials? I am sure you try to avoid these essential questions that expose your Islam.

...sick people exist everywhere...the point is that it is YOU people who bring murder to all mankind...who travel beyond your borders on a carpet of lies to kill innocent children....Christians are behind the greatest barbarities, on a mass scale, of the last 200 years.
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>You stated that ISLAM is the fastest growing religion in the world, YES , it is , but you forgot that these people never lived in the Islamic country period and when these MULLAHS tell them that they WILL have 40 Hurreyat

..and if Christian mullahs ever got the chance...you'd see some REAL killing. There's Bush, a "real" Christian...and look what he's done to the people of Iraq.


/beautiful women in heaven , OH my GD they don't KNOW when they will get there AS IF GOD ALMIGHTY IS TURNING THE HEAVEN TO A BROTHEL PLACE ! WHAT A DISGRACE TO SUCH RELIGION!!

....that's a mistranslation...all notions of heaven are absurd...that isn't the point. Stop jumping around in your desperation...I was talking about MURDER...the murder of innocents on a grand scale...such as you Christians have introduced and made a regular part of your religions...it isn't a perfect world...but its' slipping back into barbarism because of Christian attacks against Jews, Muslims and everyone else....never forget that Christians have killed more Christians than anyone else has....always remember what you do to your own...and then see what chance the rest of us have.
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>If Islam is as you try to portrait it, then let these CONVERTERS go and live in the Islamic countries if ISLAM is better that the west- why they stay here let them go

...it is not because of Jesus that the United States became the haven it was...the founding fathers made a point of leaving Jesus out of it and many of them thought your bible was ridiculous...the religious colonies were the ones who burned women as witches...and stoned them to death for adultery...it was only because of civil law and civil liberties, all frowned upon by the church, that America avoided becomming a fundamental nation tearing itself apart as Europe had done for centuries over Jesus....Jesus does NOT get credit for having made America...and his followers are ruining it today...trying to make it a Fundamentalist bastion.

...we'll stay right where we are and fight you people on OUR turf....what ever made you think YOU are American?

- firstly let these MULLAHS go and take them with them to your ISLAMIC countries,

...left to themselves neither Iran nor Iraq had anything to do with Mullahs...rather they were bringing their countries into the modern era with women's rights and other improvements....the Mullahs came to power through the backing of the United States....and the Shi'aa fundamentalists took power in Iraq thanks to the American Christians...Saddam would never have allowed such a thing...you can thank the Christians of the West for the Mullahs and for Kurdistan.

then I will say ISLAM is a good religious, my friend you know the facts and you know well what is ISLAM, if you think you are fooling people, be sure you are not fooling anyone but yourselves including this SMART Pancho, by the way how many beautiful women this PANCHO you will offer him in heaven ?

...you're not too bright. But you have your uses.
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>In conclusion, listen I am not saying the following ,but a very respected MUSLIM thinker said it which is[ IBN KHALDUN ] in his book ' The MUQADDAMAH / an English version by Franz Rosenthal page 188

...you've tried this before..it means nothing. There are countless Christians who've criticzed the hell out of Christianity...like Voltaire and Patrick Henry among a whole host....
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>Ibn Khladun speaking about the Christians said the following :" In general, they are well known. All of them are unbelief. THIS IS CLEARLY STATED IN THE NOBLE QUR'AN. To discuss or argue those things with them is not for us. It is (for them to choose between)CONVERSION to ISLAM, PAYMENT of the POLL TAX, or DEATH . "

...if this was true...then there would be no Christians and no churches in the MidEast today, instead there are churches all over and Christians have lived in peace for centuries, as they would still be doing had not Christianity once again brought a Crusade to ruin their lives...it was the Arabs who SAVED our people...because the Christian West looked upon them all as heretics and would have killed them or forcibly converted them...when the Christians took Spain back from the Moors, they expelled all Jews who would not convert as well as all Moors. Later they set up an Inquisition to hound those whom they'd forced to convert because they were "insincere"...eventually they drove out every last Jew and Moor...confiscating their property and often stealing their childdren as well....this is how Christianity treated people of other faiths...by contrast the Ottomans allowed Jews and Christians the freedom to live among them in peace and under protection...and all through the MidEast Christianity and Judaism was given the space and freedom which NO Christian country allowed to Jews and Muslims...if the Muslims were determined to wipe out Christianity they certainly had the power, the means and the time...1,300 years, to do so....but they didn't. They didn't because it was NEVER a part of their religion to do so.

Christians suffered only when they rebelled or placed themselves at the service of foreigners who made promises of "protection" or giving them a Christian enclave...How many Christians have Christians killed for rebellion? Are the Christians in Christian jails there because of persecution or because they broke the law? Christians suffered when they broke the law in Muslim countries....and, as far as you assyrians are concerned, you were never persecuted but PROSECUTED for breaking laws...such as the law against sedition....as you would have been in any country...and as the law states in America and everywhere else...it is illegal to preach or teach that the official government is a thief, or a usurper...or holds power illegally...the Native Americans made those claims and were jailed....in AMERICA...and they have never been given "their" country back...to make these demands means you break the LAWS...for which you get PROsecuted....as you would in any country...but you people have yelled you were being PERsecuted...these tricks issue from weak heads who refuse to use dictionaries, refuse to read books and have been taught to scorn "stupid" professors who disagree with their village priests.

..one more thing....the Hadith are not accepted by everyone...so you have to be careful when you cite the Quran...careful to distinguish what Muhammad said from what people later claimed they heard him say...or heard someone say he heard someone who heard him...
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>Mr. MUSLIM tolerant this was , is and will be your ISLAM that no matter what you will say is mere NONSENSE in capital letters and by this I am closing my argument.

...this was not an argument at all....it was merely a list of your prejudices, taught to you by your church. The facts you brought were all from the same source...all of them came from an institution that teaches you will live on a cloud for eternity. You need to expand your sources...you need to read other books from more legitimate sources...if you want to discuss anything intelligently and not merely state that anyone who doesn't share your prejudice is "ignorant". I am indeed ignorant of YOUR prejudice and I hope I stay that way.

...the essential point was that Christianity has proven itself the more intolerant religion...and I gave you instances of it...none of them taken from Syriac manuscripts...which are made of self-serving lies.

...but you gave it your best shot...and now you must retire. As you will do when you get that Militia of yours...you people simply were not made for heavy lifting.



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