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Re: Where's The Beef?
Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Monday, January 14 2008, 23:51:13 (CET)
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You nailed it once again as you always do and this leads to the allegations against you such as "you anti Assyrian" "crazy" "rude" and all the other things they've said about you around their "diaspora". However, as they always seem to do, they choke when it comes to "proof". We can bragg all we want to about what ancients did, but that doesent change the fact that today's so called Assyrians didn't even know all this until recently and it was foreigners who had to dig up things. The excuse that "persecution" had everything to do with is baseless because the Israelites suffered worse persecution in Egypt, Mesopotamia, Judea and Europe, yet they still preserved much of their culture and everything else. They didn't forget and then come back 2,600 years later and relearn their history. Yes, they changed and adopted new things but they are aware of it and they know the history of the ancient Israelites. Nebuchadnezzer destroyed their land along with their "original Torah" and brought them to Babylon as slaves. Yet, after all those years, they managed to re write their Torah centuries later. Whether it was the same or not is another issue but they still preserved themselves and made effort.

In our case is totally differen't than that. No matter how much bragging and accusing others of learning from us it really is useless. What good does it do to bragg when there is nothing to bragg about. Ironically, others valued it more and seemed to have no problem learning from Mesopotamia, but the so called "Assyrians" forgot everything and only became "Assyrian" after the westerners gave them the name because they needed an ally. I am not saying they weren't descendants of the ancients but it is still awful that others had to name us that and teach our history. I said it before and I will say it again. If the westerners didn't dig up and discover ancient tablets or even name the Nestorians as Assyrians, they would never have come to call themselves "Assyrians". Hell, if they were Roman Catholic, they would be calling themselves "Chaldean" today and there wouldn't be all this bragging.

Whatever any of such individuals like to say, it doesent change that the so called "Assyrians" didn't seem interested and it was others who were more interested. As far as Hebrews copying everything from others, I don't agree with that fully but everyone is free to choose what they like to believe. If they like to believe that the "Hebrews" copied everything from the Assyrians, that's fine but it still don't change the fact that the so called "Assyrians" of today didn't know that until foreigners dug things up and until the westerners named them "Assyrians" in order to use them. After that, these boys went with it and try to use it as a tool to get an "Assyria" which is nothing but a "Christian" state. I still don't understand how they accuse the Jews of copying, and doing all these bad things yet believe that their God is a the Jewish messiah whom they believe was murdered some 2000 years ago so that Goerge Bush, Adolf Hitler, Pat Robertson and the rest can go to Heaven and do anything they like while here in this life. Why believe in a Jewish God, yet hate his "favorite people"? That doesent make sense but it seems more like a cultural thing rather than actually believing or following Jesus(as). Based on their behavior and actions, they don't seem to care much of how the Messiah of the Israelites lived his life or what he taught but they just say "we are Christian". I have not only seen many, and I say many Assyrians and Christians reject and criticize much of the Bible, and that goes for the New Testament as well, yet still defend Christianity while attaxking Jews.

I had another one of those "giants of Assyria" try to threaten me by quoting Isiah to me and how "we Assyrians will rise again and screw you Muslims up" I showed them the nasty things that Isiah states about Assyrians and also other books in the Old Testament, and he immediately said "Oh I don't believe the OLD Testament because it is a book of Jewish lies"; a minute before that he was using it for his attack against me but changed his position that quick without any shame. What can I say to such people, yet they demand respect and recognition? The only thing I say is "wow I am so scared of you". As I said before on here, the world is laughing at them and they thing everyone is "conspiring" against them as if they are the only people who had great ancastors. Ethiopians, Egyptians, Chinese, Indians and many other ancient kingdoms had great achievements and how come no one is "conspiring" against them? In fact, today's Christians who call themselves "Assyrians" have no basis other than what the rest of Iraqis have and that is the choice to grab whatever label one feels, but when the label is used to steal a piece of land, that is another issue.

So from reading your posts in reply to the Minime, I must say that you make much sense and you argue with logics, reality and proof, and not based on opinion or Nationalism. Anyone can make claims, but prooving it is another thing. The burden is not on Jews to prove that they copied from Assyrians but it is on the today's Nestorians and few others who have this theory that everything is theirs and that they somehow deserve "special treatment" and respect. When the Natives, Abirigines and the pleanty of others receive their recognition which is much more valid than their claims, maybe then they'll have a good case to demand special rights or independence based on ancastry or claims without proof.

Take care of yourself and keep up the battle, InshAllah.



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