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>> ...The Jews of Europe are a far more recent case...one for which there is ample documentary evidence. Until I see actual historical facts that support such statements about the Assyrians of old, of who absorebed who and who was dominated by whom, or married which from where, I'm going to respectfully refuse to accept these sorts of explanations as anything more than myth and legend, or propaganda. The "jury may still be out" on the issue of the origins of 90% of the Jews (Ashkenazi Jews) but I truly doubt that anyone besides Western and Jewish scholars have bothered to study the issue in great depth. It also fits within the manufactured and romanticised history of most nation states. >> ..this may all be true...but the plain fact is that no "Assyrian" REMEMBERED being Assyrian until Layard told him he was...I think that is an undisputable fact. Had we remembered anything at all about Gilgamesh, or anything else NOT in the bible, we might have a case that we are descendants etc. But, since we didn't remember...and since the same Euros we fault at other times, had to teach us....I remain unconvinced. In general you are correct we forgot our identity. But that may be becuase of our exceptional circumstances. Our people lived in the multi-cultural, multi-religious Middle East during the course of thousands of years a period in which we had numerous names, empires and religions. Comparing us to the Greeks for example is deceptive as we had a much longer civilisation and numerous epithets. >> I apologized because I was wrong...I was wrong in saying that there are modern day direct descendants of the ancient Assyrians....I'm sure you would agree that no modern Greek would dare say he has a direct descendant of Socretes... Now it depends on what yopu mean by Assyrian. Are you refering to the region known as the Assyrian triangle that surrounded the ancient city of Ashur? If so then the only true descendants would be the Sunni with a small portion of Kurds and our Chaldean people who still live in Mosul region. Unlike the majority of Assyrians I don't believe on the Malik Shalita and his wife died defending Nineveh in 1401AD fairy tale from which we have derived the Kalu d'Sulaqua myth. My studies of this myth led me to conclude that the only attack in 1401 AD that was made against our people in 1401 AD by the Mongols and Tiimurlane was against Baghdad in which the ruler of Baghdad and his daughter not his wife dies treying to escape the Mongols. This is quite significant as it shows that Muslim and Christian alike fought against the Mongols in 1401 and the revisionist history goes on state that the defeat of the "Assyrians" at "Nineveh" forced the inhabitants of the Nineveh plains to head north for protections where they established the villages in Hakkari. All romaticised and manufactured lies of course for which we still venerate in the Middle East with an annual holiday. With that myth debunked our people cannot say that they direct descendants of Ashurbanipal. What they can do is selectively "cherry pick" from their ancestors' long history and say that their ancestors were a part of the ancient Assyrian Empire only. While this may be true they conveniently neglect that their cousins and neighbours the Arabs, Kurds, etc are also descendants of the ancients and hence just as indigenous as they are with full land rights. Meanwhile the majority of the modern day Greeks are saying that they are descendants of Alexander the Great and this is the root cause of all our problems. The Age of Empire saw the Europeans (the West) conquer the rest of the world (the East) initially culturaly using the Orientalism framework and the militarily using their occupying armies. In response a wave of nationalism swept the colonies whose populations gained their national independence and defined their nation state through the romanticised revision of their histories. However both the invader and the occupied distorted history by revising and packing their history, language and culture into nationaly defined homogenous entities. >> He wasn't wrong, however, indiscounting Assyrian nationalist "aspiration". I too think these are ridiculous and foolish. His further mistake is to keep referring to modern Assyrians as if they really exist...so he's STILL mistaken...But where he was REALLY wrong was when he slandered the ancient Assyrians...and I never apologized for calling him on that. The modern Israelies are just as deluded in thinking that they can build their nation state on the bodies of the Palestinian victims - who may very well be descendants of the ancient Jewish converts to Islam. --------------------- |
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