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Re: Zio-Fascist White Shirts in Jerusalem
Posted by Jeffrey (Guest) - Saturday, June 4 2011, 7:18:00 (UTC)
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es1982 June 3, 2011 at 10:17 am

Yes, unfortunately. I don’t dispute the fact that there are a lot of racists in Israel and that the current government is no good. I just disputed the assertion that “this is Zionism”.

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annie June 3, 2011 at 10:40 am

I just disputed the assertion that “this is Zionism”.

well, it is zionism. don’t you mean ‘this is not the only face of zionism’ ?

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es1982 June 3, 2011 at 10:45 am

I do mean that this isn’t the only face of Zionism, but I also think that saying that “this is Zionism” rather than a form of Zionism implies that it is representative of all Zionists. Would you say about extremist evangelical Christians “this is Christianity”?

Donald June 3, 2011 at 10:51 am

It’s best to be precise. This is rightwing Zionism, the people who are openly racist and proud of it. Then there are the liberal Zionists, who are a diverse lot themselves and vary in their opinions from people who are racist and defend Israeli war crimes (we have one or two like that around here) to people like Jerome Slater, who condemn most of what Israel does but still believe in the ideology. And actually, there are also Zionists like Jerry Haber who wants a one state solution with equal rights for everyone.

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Woody Tanaka June 3, 2011 at 11:00 am

“Would you say about extremist evangelical Christians ‘this is Christianity’?”

I would, (depending on how the term “extremist” is defined.) Because when it comes to ideology, one cannot pick and choose what it represents and ignore the bad parts, unless the ideology is working to extracate itself from those bad parts. Since Christianity is not doing that with its extremist branch, then it is a fair assessment to say that.

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annie June 3, 2011 at 11:08 am

Would you say about extremist evangelical Christians “this is Christianity”?

but i didn’t say this was the face of judaism. go ahead and connote zionism w/judaism if you want to but don’t put words in my mouth.

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Don June 3, 2011 at 11:36 am

As usual, I agree with Donald’s keen insight and extraordinarily intelligent view.

ES1982…And I like your comments as well.

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Ellen June 3, 2011 at 11:56 am

es1982, is Zionism a religion? Now, that is a new one.

Isn’t it a social political movement that emerged in the late 19th century when ideas of race and blood and soil were gaining traction in Europe after the establishment of modern nation states like Germany and Italy? Zionism is a ideology based on bogus race-based identity.

And you get some property with it too! But only if you are the “right” race.

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es1982 June 3, 2011 at 12:27 pm

Perhaps evangelicals/Christianity isn’t a good example, because it seems like I’m implying that Zionism is a religion, or that Zionism equals Judaism. I’m not. I wanted to give an example of a subgroup within a larger group. Maybe a better analogy would have been to ask whether you could say about Jean-Marie Le Pen’s supporters that “this is France”.
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