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MiniMe wrote: >Assyrianmuslim, > >You are so boringly literal in your thinking, as if the Qur'an doesn't mention swords and wars... Jesus was called many things including a messenger. All the names are symbolic, anyway... It's funny first of all that when you quote a translation of the Quran you don't realy give the chapter number with the verse. Maybe you just forgot but it's kind of hard to just figure out in which chapter you are reading from when all you provide is the verse number. Next time just give the Surah and Ayah together so it will be more helpful. As for swords is the Quran, the word "saif" means sword in Arabic and it is nowhere in the Quran. There are 16 different words for "sword" in Arabic and not one is found in the Quran. The word is only found in translations and translations are not the Quran. But anyways I already said there are verses dealing with war in the Quran and we don't need to hide them or give them another meaning. I already said it before you brought it up, just read my post again. >And you also, obviously, have no idea what words like "Bani Israel" or "sword" mean and symbolize... Bani Israel are a "particular people"? Who told you that Bullshit? Bani Israel are the children of Israel. If you want to give it another meaning then you can do so but you are wrong in that regard. You can give it some mysterious meaning if you want but you be going against the Quran in that case. There was nothing hidden about Jesus recorded as saying that he came to bring a "sword" rather than peace. >Unless you see the deeper meaning of words, you will never understand niether the Qur'an nor the Bible or any other religious book for that matter, except, of course, pancho's religious book... > >With your literal interpretation, explain this: > >This revelation which We recite to you is full of signs and wise reminders.[58] In fact, the example of the birth of Jesus ( Jesus) in the sight of Allah is like the example of Adam who had no father and mother, whom He created out of dust, then said to him: "Be" and he was.[59] This is the Truth from your Lord, therefore, do not be of those who doubt it.[60] If anyone disputes with you concerning this matter (the birth of Jesus) after full knowledge has come to you, say: "Come! Let us gather our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: then let us earnestly pray and invoke the curse of Allah on the liars."[61] Verily this is the absolute true explanation. The fact of the matter is, that there is no god but Allah; and >for sure Allah is the Mighty, the Wise.[62] But if they turn away from accepting this challenge, it will be clear proof of their mischief and Allah has full knowledge of mischief-mongers.[63] 3:[58-63] > >Example of Adam? No father and no mother? Literal?... This verse is making the Christians wake up and realize that Jesus being born without a father does not make him "God" or the "Son of God" because God also created Adam with no father or mother and Eve without mother either. This is a comparison that God is not the same as his creation and that He creates what he wills. The miracilous birth of Jesus was a sign to mankind and an example for the "Children of Israel". If you want another interpretation, that is your choice but that is not correct. >[170] O People of the Book! Do not transgress the limits of your religion. Speak nothing but the Truth about Allah. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger of Allah and His Word "Be" which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit from Him which took the shape of a child in her womb. So believe in Allah and His Messengers and do not say: "Trinity"." Stop saying that, it is better for you. Allah is only One Deity. >His Word? and a spirit from Him? When God decides to create something, He only has to merely say it and it's done deal. Jesus has many different nick names in the Quran such as "kalimAllah" "word from God" "AbdAllah" "Servant of God" "RasulAllah" "dprophet of God" just like Abraham is has certain names or titles. Either way the meaning is that Jesus was not God as the Christians claim but he was an upholder of monotheism and a piuos servant of God. >Allah? His Word? His Spirit?... Trinity? I don't know what your point is but it is clear that Jesus is a "word from God" "kun" and that the "trinity" is false and not from Jesus or God. >Besides, Desn't the Qur'an state that Jesus was taken up to God? Yes it does and he was raised up by God but I don't know what your point is or what that has to do with "swords". >Think hard before you answer and see the allegorical and symbolic meaning in what you read... > >My intention isn't to prove any book right or wrong... I'm just amazed at the way people, like stupid pancho, generally interpret the books... And you are not helping here... That wasn't my intention neither because the topic was "prince of peace" but there are verses which do not say that but rather talk about him not coming to bring "peace on earth" but to bring a "sword". >Are we in Kirkuk or Mexico still living in the stone age? Maybe we are in Jalalabad, heck I don't know lol. --------------------- |
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