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Re: but then...
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Saturday, February 25 2012, 0:39:37 (UTC)
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pancho wrote:
>Ashur wrote:
>>Do you remember any Bible Verses?
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>...I remember that you're careful to avoid me...tell me, just which "enemies" of Assyria WOULD you be willing to take on? Keep your shirt on, these are only words and ideas....
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> How about this one...I mean even though you are Atheist at least the book has some clarity on early civilzations...
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>...sure it does, that's why major universities use the bible as a source for their doctoral candidates...look, the bible is a religious book with what those who believe in it claim is also "history"....it is history as told IN the bible...but it is NOT history as universities and professionals accept the term....it is propaganda, it is YOUR story, it is not anyone else's. If I asked you read the "history" contained in the Quran, you'd laugh or spit or worse....if I told you to refer to the history in the Upanishads you'd say, "they what?"...if I told you to check the history in the Greek myths you'd be outraged and think me as stupid as I now thing you are for bothering us with YOUR bible.....
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>here is a quote from the Bible>>>Ezekiel 23 - Title "Two Adulterous Sisters"...http://mbible.com/niv/ezekiel/23.htm...its obvious that Chaldeans were connected to the Assyrians and lets also not forget that Assyrians ruled over babylon after Assyria fell? But thats not thepoint yur bringing up...youre not talking about the old old days but actually only 2000 years back? First off what does Chaldean mean to you? Have you noticed how all of then are Roman Catholic? My mother was Chaldean bro so please dont go there...
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>...my grandfather was Chaldean so I'll go there...all assyrians admit that the Catholic pope invented modern Chaldeans...and you really must get over this habit you have to squirting back in tiem when it suits you...we are talking about the MODERN ERA...that would be AFTER the Renaissance...the Catholic missionaries came hunting converts in the 16 th century and there were NO Chaldeans then...only Nestorians and Jacobites.
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>The bible stops with the murder of Jesus....it takes place WAY before the Renaissance, so stop bringing it up...we are talking about the time period beginning with when the term "Chaldean", to designate those Nestorians who went back to the Catholic faith, was first introduced....stick to the point!
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>even the Chaldean priest admitted they are all Assyrians. So many different Chaldeans know this is false. Also if this is a conspiracy against Chaldeans by Assyrian then please explain why they have Muslims names?
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>...is it an Israeli conspiracy that you all have Jewish names?
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> BTW you also havent answered any of my questions regarding the map? Let me ask you this...what was first, Nestorians or Chaldeans Church?
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>...the Chaldeans were "discovered" first, in the 1500s...later, in the 180s, the "Assyrians" were discovered, in both cases by the Euros.
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> Also did we go and follow Nestorius or did he follow us??http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Church_of_the_East...keep in mind that we agreed with his doctrine which means we had one to begin with.
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>...it hardly matters...except that it was because of Nestorius, and any choice on our part, that we chose to call ourselves by his name...because that was our way of proving to our nervous Sasanian hosts, who were locked in battle with Byzantium, that we were not likely to betray them because we would fare even worse if the Byzantines won and found us all following the man they called a heretic. It had nothing to do with Christology and how many toes Jesus had...it had everything to do with SURVIVAL because when Roma adopted Christianity and went to war against our Sasaina master we got nervous they would consider us potential traitors, for Jesus....as we have been ever since.
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>...when the western Protestant missionaries came to Turkey and Urmia you don;t really believe our Nestorian villagers gave a shit about what Americans and British and German and Dutch missionaries told THEM was the proper beliefe in Jesus??? hell no...we switched to them for the same reason we latched onto Nestorious, for survival! In this case because we were led, falsely, to believe the governments which sent those missionaries would "do something for us" because now we were of THEIR faith...you know, their Brothers in Christ? That and the money and goodies they brought...it had nothing to do with Jesus but everything to do with survival
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> Does the shoe not fit the story? We have an obvious Arabinzation going on here and plus the Chaldeans once again are Roman Catholic?
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>...you forgte that with all "arabization" you claim, in Iraq EVERY assyrian speaks Aramaic and reads and writes it...so I don;t see where Arabs have casued any harm along those lines...but, when we look at the effects of AMERICANization we find a lot of assyrians named Scott...and Jennifer...and Tod...and Bill...we also find hardly ANY of them who can mumble our language let alone read or write it...so, realistically, proximity to Americans and Europeans has done MUCH more damage to our "assyrianism" than closeness to Arabs or Islam has caused...once again you merely repeat propaganda without THINKING of what you are saying.,...or rather what is being said THROUGH you.
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> They have obviously recorded history since they have a story about a murder that took place between to Priest's? From Church documents, John Speed maps or should I say advanced math/history, artifacts or even our neighbors we can prove we are Assyrian.
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>...we've been through this....you know perfectly well that Christians in Ottoman lands were second-class citizens receiving no respect...so why would Turks honor them in any way? besides that map is drawn by SPEED, and not by the Turks...it is HIS cartoon, HIS contention that Assyrians "existed" at that time, in Ottoman lands....you have nothing from the TURKS or from the Nestorians themselves, from THAT time...so what does your map prove? You might as well draw one NOW, yourself, and say "see, my map shows ASSYRIANS lived in England before the Vikings arrived...I mean LOOK AT MY MAP if you want "evidence".....grow up, will you.
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>...we have much more recent and far more reliable and recognized as such, evidence that there were no modern Chaldeans or Assyrians until the Euros invented them, for political reasons. Why don;t you address THAT instead of laying in your closet with mouldy cartoons?
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> IO thank you for making these false claims because it actuall makes us popular...I'm not worried about what people think! Anyone reading this would know whos right and wrong...you being wrong lol!
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>...sure. That's the reason that when the State Department needs information about Christians in Iraq they go to Aprim and BetBassoo and aina and Qasha Rukhtapolitous and the bible and, oh yes, SPEED...silly fellow. As Dr Joseph said, "I am asked constantly about "assyrian" claims and also Christian claims by the Department of State and other agencies, both American and European", who also by the way, laught at all your pretensions because they've been bombarded by just such "PROPOOOOVES" as you boys produce, you have made us a laughingstock and we thank you for it!...that's because these people are all university graduates who understand the value of real history and the dangers of the nonsense you people try to pass off....



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