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-- What do you think of Ta-Nehshi Coates response to the recent comments regarding the Civil War made by Gen. John Kelly? Ta-Nehisi Coates explains Civil War history for John Kelly in epic Twitter thread The 'Between the World and Me' author argues the war was about slavery, not 'inability to compromise' CHRISTIAN HOLUB@CMHOLUB POSTED ON OCTOBER 31, 2017 AT 5:08PM EDT http://ew.com/books/2017/10/31/ta-nehisi-coates-john-kelly-civil-war-history/ Best-selling author Ta-Nehisi Coates isn't happy with President Trump's chief of staff John Kelly, who on Monday tried his hand at pontificating about history. In an interview with Fox News' Lauren Ingraham, he said the Civil War happened because of "the lack of an ability to compromise." Now, Coates is trying to educate the retired four-star Marine general -- one of the more respected members of the scandal-plagued White House -- deriding Kelly as someone who "believe in Santa Claus." But he didn't stop there, diving further into detail. "Notion that Civil War resulted from a lack of compromise is belied by all the compromises made on enslavement from America's founding," Coates tweeted Tuesday as he began a now-viral Twitter thread. He continued, "I mean, like, it's called the Three-Fifths Compromise for a reason. But it doesn't stand alone. Missouri Compromise. Kansas-Nebraska Act." Coates is well-known now for his award-winning non-fiction book Between the World and Me (EW's best book of 2015) and his recent Black Panther comics for Marvel. But first, he was a writer for The Atlantic, where he often wrote about history and the Civil War. Coates has been stressing for years how the Civil War was explicitly fought over slavery, not "states' rights" as Confederate apologists often claim, and that this information is clear from historical primary-source documents. To demonstrate, he posted a link to Mississippi's declaration of secession, the literal second sentence of which is, "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery– the greatest material interest of the world." Civil War revisionist history also applies to the most famous Confederate general, Robert E. Lee, who has recently become a focal point for renewed debates about the period. It was a pending removal of a statue of Lee that inspired white nationalists from around the country to rally in Charlottesville this summer, a violent display that ultimately killed counter-protestor Heather Heyer and injured many others. Though Lee is often praised for his "honor," Coates reminded readers that he was a murderer who fought in defense of slavery. "Praising Bobby Lee as an honorable man is just sad. Like some kid insisting his deadbeat dad is actually a secret agent away on a mission," Coates tweeted, sharing his Atlantic colleague Adam Serwer's recent piece about Lee's crimes. Coates ultimately brought the discussion back to the critique of white supremacy, as a "dream" that many white Americans are lulled into, which he makes in his own books. His latest book, We Were Eight Years in Power, ends with an essay calling Donald Trump "the first white president." "Been a lot of hemming and hawing over the term 'white supremacist.' Fools who won't be satisfied until Trump literally lynches someone," Coates tweeted over a series. "But, like, when the 'adult in the room' believes a war for slavery was honorable... believes that the torturer of humans, vendor of people, who led that war was honorable ... When that dude portrays a sitting member of Congress as some shucking and jiving hustler... When he sticks by that portrayal of a black woman, in the face of clear video evidence, when he has so descended into the dream... You really do see the effect of white supremacy." Check out selections from the Twitter thread below. Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates Dude believes in Santa Claus. https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/925189571205390336 … 1:44 AM - Oct 31, 2017 28 28 Replies 197 197 Retweets 968 968 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates Regarding John Kelly's creationist theorizing on Lee and the Civil War, its worth pointing out a few things. 2:12 AM - Oct 31, 2017 1,049 1,049 Replies 30,710 30,710 Retweets 53,431 53,431 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Regarding John Kelly's creationist theorizing on Lee and the Civil War, its worth pointing out a few things. Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates Notion that Civil War resulted from a lack of compromise is belied by all the compromises made on enslavement from America's founding. 2:15 AM - Oct 31, 2017 99 99 Replies 3,496 3,496 Retweets 13,401 13,401 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates Notion that Civil War resulted from a lack of compromise is belied by all the compromises made on enslavement from America's founding. Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates I mean, like, it's called The three fifths compromise for a reason. But it doesn't stand alone. Missouri Compromise. Kansas-Nebraska Act. 2:16 AM - Oct 31, 2017 45 45 Replies 2,552 2,552 Retweets 11,478 11,478 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates I mean, like, it's called The three fifths compromise for a reason. But it doesn't stand alone. Missouri Compromise. Kansas-Nebraska Act. Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates Lincoln's own platform was a compromise. Lincoln was not an abolitionist. He proposed to limit slavery's expansion, not end it. 2:17 AM - Oct 31, 2017 64 64 Replies 2,690 2,690 Retweets 11,495 11,495 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates During the Civil War, Lincoln repeatedly sought to compromise by paying reparations--to slaveholders--and shipping blacks out the country. Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates Explicit compromises don't even get at it. Historian James McPherson points to implicit compromises with slavery. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/ … pic.twitter.com/wCDkNYOIea 2:23 AM - Oct 31, 2017 View image on Twitter 36 36 Replies 2,208 2,208 Retweets 8,504 8,504 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates "Compromise" continued long after Lincoln's death. Compromise of 1877 led to explicit White Supremacist rule in the South for a century. Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates As historian David Blight pointed out "compromise" with white supremacy was how the country achieved reunion. 2:27 AM - Oct 31, 2017 36 36 Replies 2,404 2,404 Retweets 9,850 9,850 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates As historian David Blight pointed out "compromise" with white supremacy was how the country achieved reunion. Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates This is really basic stuff--easily accessible, not tucked away in archives somewhere. 2:28 AM - Oct 31, 2017 33 33 Replies 1,683 1,683 Retweets 9,876 9,876 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates This is really basic stuff--easily accessible, not tucked away in archives somewhere. Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates Shocking that someone charged with defending their country, in some profound way, does not comprehend the country they claim to defend. 2:29 AM - Oct 31, 2017 111 111 Replies 3,809 3,809 Retweets 16,053 16,053 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates Shocking that someone charged with defending their country, in some profound way, does not comprehend the country they claim to defend. Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates Notion that we are putting today's standards on the past is, in itself, racist--implies only white, slave-holding, opinions matter. 2:30 AM - Oct 31, 2017 101 101 Replies 3,441 3,441 Retweets 13,823 13,823 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates Majority of people living in Mississippi in 1860 were black. They knew, in their own time, that enslavement was wrong. Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates Half the people living in states like Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama enslaved--knew full well that enslavement was dead wrong. 2:32 AM - Oct 31, 2017 27 27 Replies 1,795 1,795 Retweets 9,661 9,661 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates Again, this is not info hidden away in the state archives. Like, it's in the census. You can google it. Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates Praising Bobby Lee as an honorable man is just sad. Like some kid insisting his deadbeat dad is actually a secret agent away on a mission. 2:35 AM - Oct 31, 2017 136 136 Replies 6,201 6,201 Retweets 22,948 22,948 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates Praising Bobby Lee as an honorable man is just sad. Like some kid insisting his deadbeat dad is actually a secret agent away on a mission. Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates As @AdamSerwer points out Lee wasn't some agnostic pressed into War. He was a dude who thought torture was cool. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/ … pic.twitter.com/z7Ggh8afkK 2:40 AM - Oct 31, 2017 View image on Twitter 52 52 Replies 3,461 3,461 Retweets 9,550 9,550 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates Again. This is knowable. Not hard to find out about Lee. You do not have to sit in a Harvard history colloquium to understand the Civil War. Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates But you do have to actually read what the people who started the War actually said. https://www.civilwar.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states#Mississippi ... pic.twitter.com/viIRu9tnQ8 2:44 AM - Oct 31, 2017 View image on Twitter 71 71 Replies 3,347 3,347 Retweets 11,049 11,049 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates They did not merely want to preserve the right to own people, they wanted to expand that right. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/what-this-cruel-war-was-over/396482/ ...pic.twitter.com/JbuQyo6xDr Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates Been a lot of hemming and hawing over the term "white supremacist." Fools who won't be satisfied until Trump literally lynches someone. 2:49 AM - Oct 31, 2017 65 65 Replies 2,556 2,556 Retweets 10,699 10,699 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates Been a lot of hemming and hawing over the term "white supremacist." Fools who won't be satisfied until Trump literally lynches someone. Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates But, like, when the "adult in the room" believes a war for slavery was honorable... 2:50 AM - Oct 31, 2017 34 34 Replies 2,212 2,212 Retweets 10,174 10,174 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates But, like, when the "adult in the room" believes a war for slavery was honorable... Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates Believes that the torturer of humans, vendor of people, who led that war was honorable... 2:51 AM - Oct 31, 2017 19 19 Replies 1,809 1,809 Retweets 8,826 8,826 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates Believes that the torturer of humans, vendor of people, who led that war was honorable... Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates When that dude portrays a sitting member of Congress as some shucking and jiving hustler... 2:51 AM - Oct 31, 2017 21 21 Replies 1,756 1,756 Retweets 8,999 8,999 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates When that dude portrays a sitting member of Congress as some shucking and jiving hustler... Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates When he sticks by that portrayal of a black women, in the face of clear video evidence, when he has so descended into the dream... 2:52 AM - Oct 31, 2017 36 36 Replies 1,846 1,846 Retweets 9,554 9,554 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy 31 Oct Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔ @tanehisicoates Replying to @tanehisicoates When he sticks by that portrayal of a black women, in the face of clear video evidence, when he has so descended into the dream... Ta-Nehisi Coates ✔@tanehisicoates You really do see the effect of white supremacy. 2:53 AM - Oct 31, 2017 38 38 Replies 1,693 1,693 Retweets 9,644 9,644 likes --------------------- |
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