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Re: in praise of Dr Joseph...
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Saturday, February 11 2012, 1:34:41 (UTC)
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...here is a list of endnotes Dr Joseph asked me to post a few years back...the purpose was to give people like Ashur some idea of what scholarly research looks like...you don't go looking for what you LIKE to read...you go LOOKING, and gathering and assessing and comparing notes with other scholsras and THEN you write and if you're good and lucky too a publishers not a PRINTER accepts your book.


Dr Joseph asked that we include these endnotes...I had left them out. he wants to be sure we all have every opportunity to educate ourselves...I mean REALLY educate ourselves....not the mushy tripe we were spoon-fed as babies.


ENDNOTES TO THE ABOVE ARTICLE:
1. Well known Semitic scholars, such as Yale University's Franz Rosenthal, the dean of Aramaic studies in America for over a generation, are of the opinion that 'Syrian' and 'Assyrian' are of completely different origins even though it remains for future hist Article, p.285.orians to prove the correctness of the theory. See Rosenthal's Die aramäistische Forschung seit Th. Nöldeke's Veröffenthlichungen (Leiden,1939), p.3 n.1. For a concise discussion of this subject see article by Wolfhart Heinrichs, a colleague of Frye at Harvard University, entitled "The Modern Assyrians - Name and Nation," in Festschrift Philologica Constantino Tsereteli Dicta, ed. Silvio Zaorani (Torino,1993), pp.104-105.

2 See Helm's "Herodotus Histories VII.63 and the Geographical Connotations of the Toponym 'Assyria' in the Archaemenid Period" (paper presented at the 190th meeting of the American Oriental Society, at San Francisco, April 1980). See also his "'Greeks' in the Neo-Assyrian Levant and 'Assyria' in Early Greek Writers" (Ph.D. dissertation, University of Pennsylvania, 1980), pp. 27-41; see also Herodotus' Histories, I.105 and II.106. The late Arnold J.Toynbee has also clarified that the Syrioi "are the people whom Herodotus includes in his Fifth Taxation District" which includes "the whole of Phoenicia and the so-called Philistine, Syria, together with Cyprus." The Syrioi, emphasizes Toynbee, are "not the people of an 'Assyria' which contains Babylon and which is the ninth district in his list." A Study of History (1954), vol. vii, p. 654 n.1` See also George Rawlinson, The History of Herodotus, ed. Manuel Komroff (New York, 1956), bk. ii, p. 115.

3 The Authorized Version of the Bible continued to use the terms that the Septuagint had adopted until very recent times (1970), when 'Aramean' and 'Aramaic' of the original were used.

4. See J.G. Kidd, Posidonius (Cambridge Classical Texts and Commentaries, 1988), vol. 2, pt. 2, pp. 955-956. See also Arthur J. Maclean, "Syrian Christians," Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics; Frederic Macler, "Syrians (or Aramaeans)" [sic] in ibid., where the two terms are "taken for granted" to have been originally synonymous. Consult also Sebastian Brock, "Eusebius and Syriac Christianity," in Harold W. Attridge and Gohei Hata, eds., Eusebius, Christianity, and Judaism (Leiden 1992), p.226.
Edward Gibbon, The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, ed. J.B. Bury (London, 1898), v. 150. See also Joseph, op. cit. p.14.
5 Op. cit., pp.102, 103.

6 See Millar's The Roman Near East, 31 B.C.-A.D.337 (Cambridge, 1993), pp.227,454-455,460.

7 See this writer's The Nestorians and Their Muslim Neighbors (Princeton, 1961), p.15 n.53. My information there is corroborated by the late Avedis K. Sanjian, Narekatsi Professor of Armenian Studies at the University of California, Los Angeles, in a letter dated October 10, 1994. Consult also Heinrichs, op. cit., pp. 106-107.

8 Article, p.285.

9 See J.-M. Fiey, "'Assyriens' ou 'Araméens'?", L'Orient syrien, 10 (1965), p.156; Heinrichs, pp.105-106.

10 For this example, see J.F.Coakley, The Church of the East and the Church of England, (Oxford, 1992), pp.65-66.

11 Edward Gibbon, The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, ed. J.B. Bury (London, 1898), v. 150. See also Joseph, op. cit. p.14.

12 For the profusion of patriarchal titles and names coined by the Roman Catholic Church, see Fiey's "'Assyriens' ou 'Araméens'?", pp. 146-150, and his more recent, posthumously published article, "Comment l'Occident en vint ā parler de 'Chaldéen?'" in Bulletin of the John Rylands University Library of Manchester, 78 (Autumn 1996), pp. 163-170.

13 See his "'Assyriens' ou 'Araméens'?", p.146.

14 The Heritage of Persia,, Mentor Book edition,1966 printing, p. 80 and p, 282 n.5 of the article.

15 See Richard C. Steiner, "Why the Aramaic Script was called 'Assyrian' in Hebrew, Greek, and Demotic," in Orientalia (Rome: Pontificium institutum biblicum), 62 (1993), pp. 80-82; Joseph Naveh and Jonas C. Greenfield, "Hebrew and Aramaic in the Persian Period," in Cambridge History of Judaism (1984), v. 1, pp. 126-127. Compare Frye, article, p.282, and n.8, where he vaguely speaks of "The use of the term 'Assyrian' for the Aramaic language [sic] and alphabet..." The Greek term Assyria Grammata and the Hebrew Ktab Ashuri, both mean "Assyrian script," or writing; they refer to the Aramaic script that the Assyrians used, and not to the Aramaic language.

16 Table 1, p.285. We are not told what the "Area of Mesopotamia" is called in Aramaic during the pre-Christian period-undoubtedly Bet Aramaye for a good part of that period.



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