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Posted by Ghwergis (Guest) - Friday, February 24 2012, 20:10:12 (UTC)
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pancho wrote:
>>--So after, all this, what do you think is the solution for the Assyrian people? To denounce their leaders? Convert to islam? Declare that they are not Assyrians?
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>...we should definitely seek the historical truth about our claims that we are direct descendants of the ancient Assyrinas...at best what we can say, and what I believe, is that whatever genetic material existed at that time is somehow still circulating around this planet..maybe more concentrated in Iraq though I don't know how you would prove that or if it even matters

---It doesn't.

...we should admit that all the people of Iraq are descended from ALL the people who ever lived in Mesopotamia and that just as we celebrate the Akkadians and Amorites who "came from the desert" to add their genius to the people already there, so too did another group this time from the Arabian desert,

---Fair to say. I would recommend that if you want to build Assyrian's mature attitude, you do not come out with "You are a bunch of christian iraqis in denial"

>arrive to build yet another great empire and civilization and that we should not despise Islam because it isn't Christianity.

---I absolutely agree

>..and let it go at that...we should definitely drop the requirement we have asserted that ONLY Christians can be related to the ancient Assyrians and we should definitely drop any demands about a safe-haven or territory or Little Assyria when all of Iraq is our country.

---I believe the Aramaic-speaking people should have a safe haven, for the concentration and safety of their culture, if not for their lives.

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>These claims and demands only inflame matters and make life harder on the few assyrians left in Iraq. No Muslim has ever insisted that we convert to Islam...no one has suggested it or demanded it, so I don't see why we have to consider it.
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>assyrians have no leaders...some of them have some leaders...there can never be unity because they have long been divided by religious sects and the essence of religion is non-compromise with ones faith vs the faiths of others....so that is a pipe dream. They don't have to denounce any of them because none of them matter anywhere, not even to an assyrian of a rival faction.

---I think this is a very good point. However, I still belive in the Assyrian people's desire for their own self-identification with their aramaic/nestorian/chaldean/syriac identity. The fact is that these people will NOT accept your ideas as they are presented. You're asking them, essentially, to give up. I would say we love our own struggle, if nothing else.

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>...the sane thing to do is what my grandfather realized was the best course when assyrians approached him join the British Levies because the British would surely "save us THIS time"...he said we would only be betrayed again, that we were being used and that our best hope for a successful future, unless martyrdom for Jesus was our real goal, would be to take King Faisal at his word, to become brothers to all Iraqis, to help support the new state, our new home, and become good Iraqi citizens...as we try desperately to become good American or Australian or British citizens...that's the best we can hope for...if it isn't finally too late.

---Great point. I think one of the problems facing this manufactured culture we call being "assyrian", is that it is heavily based off of christianity. Where you and I disagree may be in the fact that I think that if Assyrian intellectuals would go back to Iraq, and work on defining their culture to a greater extent, explore their common aramaic language, and most off all, enforce a culture and mentality where they give back to Iraq, they will be able to stand up and uplift themselves.



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