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=> Re: ..of course you do....

Re: ..of course you do....
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Wednesday, March 14 2012, 16:44:44 (UTC)
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Arrow wrote:
> you turned it around and asked me to prove he DIDN'T exist
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>That's a lie. Show me when I said that.

...I'm glad we cleared that up.
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> and that's when I introduced you to my Pig on Mars, which you said was irrelevant
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>I actually proved that pigs on mars do not exist.

...no you didn't.....of course my Pig exists...you just don't have FAITH.
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>Moreover, you described your pig as: “... supernatural … works in mysterious ways … is neither subject to the laws of nature nor has the shape of a normal Pig … is of eternity … who defies all natural law … spiritual, the numinous, the transcendent … existed before time … he was not made of matter … he produced matter and existed since before the universe was conceived … all matter flowed from him … not made up of atoms … can take any shape it pleases him to take …”
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>But all those are descriptions of God.

...either god or Pig, doesn't matter...you believe in one, with no evidence...and I believe in the other, with no evidence you accept...can we move on now?


It's like saying: “my pig looks like a dog, walks like a dog and barks like a dog”.

...but that isn't what I said, it's what YOU say...there is a difference....can we move on now?

On what basis, then, do you classify your dog under pig?

..and how do you make your dog into a god? remember, it is "DOG" spelled backwards that gives us "GOD"...surely that is part of the divine plan...or do you believe life is UNdesigned?....my Pig spelled backwards is only "GIP"....so there....can we move on now?

What is the difference between that dog and this pig? Nothing. Two names for the same entity.

...throw in your god and we have a deal...can we move on now?
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>Your pig is not a parody of God. It IS God.

...xactly....while your god is a parody of my Pig....now can we move on?
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> >2. The fine tuning of the universe 
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>...who says it's fine-tuned?
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>Prominent scientists (all atheists): Fred Hoyle, Brandon Carter, Martine Rees, Steven Weinberg...

.....all the same, it isn't. For all that your church said the earth was at the center of universe and despite how many were killed for believing otherwise, the earth still wasn't at the center of the universe. There are all sorts of things wrong with this universe.....it's a pretty poor design.
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> you have proven nothing except that you can repeat the same line over and over
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>You force me to repeat myself over and over again for obvious reasons.

....if you would address the issues raised instead we wouldn't be treading the same ground over and over again..it is over, there is no evidence for god.
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> but repitition isn't evidence
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>It is a reaction to something that is very evident.

....then stop it and MOVE ON!
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> no religion has brought us as much as Christianity...and for THAT I can produce plenty of hard evidence
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>A Ghandi follower would initiate hunger strikes,

...don't change the subject...the subject isn't Ganesh or Ghandi OR hungerstrikes...it's Christianity.


civil disobedience, peaceful recalcitrance... I would not be a Ghandi follower if I converted to Hinduism,

...the subject is Christianity.

founded the “Ghandi Liberation Front”,

...the subject is still Christianity.

bought Kalashnikovs and cluster bombs,

...ditto.

wore T-shirts with Ghandi photos on them,

...the subject is still Christianity.


and declared war and called for armed resistance against the colonial occupiers.


...the subject is STILL Christianity.
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> you alluded to the fact that I "hate Christianity"....no, I don't.
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>What is there to discuss then?

...you mean if we can't discuss your errors, we can't discuss at all? I told you I don;t hate Jesus or Christianity...I hate what people DO and have DONE in their belief in either...and you say there is nothing to discuss?

...there never was...you are merely an apologist for your religion, which is fine, it has lots to apologize for...clearly you know it and don;t want to discuss it...which is why you're STILL evading the subject...and THAT, dear brother, was the WHOLE POINT of dragging out this silly exercise in how many times you can say nothing....to show the absolute poverty of your intellect and courage...you are a Christian who DARES NOT address your religion...I don't know who scares you so, I don;t know why you can't speak in its defense, or speak of it at all...but I suspect it's because you know what's going to happen to you if you do....if you thought you could score a SINGLE point in favor of your religion, I think you'd rush to do it.

...there is still time. Screw your courage to the sticking place and venture forth...all religions are NOT alike...and since it is Christianity that has brought the greatest bloodshed and mayhem to the world in the modern era especially (which I can show with HARD evidence)...I focus on it...because it is the chief disturber of the world's peace and chance for peace...I don't dislike Christianity for what it SAYS, so much, but for what it DOES!

And as to your claim that all gods are pretty much the same..I say again that NO god worshipped in the modern era enjoins cannibalism and vampirism on CHILDREN...another point you failed to respond to, again! And no god today teaches vicarious human sacrifice in lieu of personal responsibility....we all know you won't touch any of these...we also know that if you answer at all it's going to be with yet another diversion...we know it and we look forward to it because what this forum does best is it gets people to display their own poverty of mind and spirit all by THEMSELVES.

You were given every opportunity to address the issues raised, especially the very first one on which you first weighed in...but you haven't done it and, more to the point, you still wont!

Thank you for that.



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