The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

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Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Thursday, January 15 2009, 8:11:16 (CET)
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Ashur Beth-Shlimon wrote:
>I am sorry to label you as a DECEIVED person, because you don't know the real ISLAM.
>The real ISLAM started by waging wars


...if I remember correctly you Christians waged plenty of wars...far more than Muhammad ever did.

and your PROPHET in the first engagement with his opponents ( in Mecca )who made a mockery about his the so-called prophecy was A BIG DEFEAT make him run away like a chicken to the other near by city of MEDINA.

...what a jealous, sad and envious person you are...the only one chicken around here is you...you ran away months ago, and come back here now with the SAME lies and opinions...as if you are saying anything factual. You STILL have produced No evidence for your claims against islam...yes, Muhammad fought...why not? Do Christians never fight? Muhammad was surrounded by enemies and he didn't have the foolish notion of "turn the cheek"...which Christians ALSO don't believe in...they just SAY it. Muhammad gave JUSTICE...and if someone attacks you for no reason then it is JUSTICE to defend yourself.

..if islam had been as violent as you "gente" Christians, there wouldn't have been ONE of you Nestorians left alive today...but what's the use (except to point out your limitations) in presenting you with any histoical facts...you'll just avoid the real issue and reach back 1400 years to "condemn" Muhammad..when right NOW your Christians are murdering thousands of innocent Iraqi children>

From MEDINA , he regrouped his fighters and made assault on MECCA .

....Muhammad was not a god...he was a man, a Prophet and a leader...as such he was responsible for the lives o those who chose to follow him...something you wouldn't understand because you Christians are forever turning on each other. He never told them not to fight....he said they had a right and a duty to defend themselves and their families from attack....that was all and there is nothing reprehensible in that...rather, it is commendable.
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>I don't know how you ignore this which is a FACT and is even taught in the Islamic histories unless you never have a knowledge about it period ,

...this one FACT you seem to hang onto is nothing WRONG...there was nothing wrong with Muhammad and his first followers defending themselves....if that is a crime then why do Christians defend themselves? Why don't they "turn the cheek"?...instead of their tails and run?


but you took Islam from your IGNORANCE!
>Then if ISLAM according to you was a peaceful religion, why your self proclaimed prophet waged those wars which were called GHAZAWAT - غزوات?

....all religions have waged wars...what kind of a fool are you? How can you criticize Muhammad for what he did 1400 years ago while all around us and for the last 100 years Christians have brought war upon war on the world? If your answer is that those people are not Christian, then admit that it is YOU who say they are not. It is not what THEY believe and I challenge you tell a troop of American soldiers that they are not REAL Christians...or any of your American neighbors where you live. According to YOU, every Christian who kills is automatically not a "real" Christian while every Muslims who kills proves thereby that he is a REAL Muslim. How foolish can you be and still find your way home each day?
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>Now , I want an answer YES or NO to what I stated above and don't go around far from my question that your prophet waged wars in the first days of his prophecy! and why did that if his call was a peaceful one as you claim ?

...you get no answers but those we wish to give...not until you answer our questions which you haven't managed to do for over a year...tell US what evidence you have that Muslims murdered people JUST for their religion...or where and when they converted people on pain of death...we have given you ample proof that Christianity did these things....and you still haven't shown any different.

There is no need to compare Islam and Christianity...they are two religions with their own creeds and beliefs. No one here is saying one is better than the other...no one, that is, except you. You slander islam with the crimes Christianity has committed...and you think to confuse the issue by comparing Jesus to Muhammad. Muhammad was a MAN, a human. Nothing humans do was foreign to him...he was not a God therefore there is nothing strange or odd or 'wrong" in his waging war when everyone, including Ashurbanipal was waging wars...but it IS odd that the followers of your GOD so consistently get his message wrong.

We say that your claims that Islam committed acts, which only Christianity is guilty of, are flat out wrong.. To confuse the issue you bring up Muhammad and his very HUMAN behavior in waging wars 1400 years ago. That is not in dispute or the issue. The issue is that YOU claim Islam did what Christianity did..that Islam forcibly converted people and killed them just for their religion. THAT is the issue we took exception to...no one EVER said that Muhammad did not, or was wrong, for defending himself and his people..or that his people were wrong for beating back the Romans and defending themselves in every other way..or even for seeking to make themselves stronger by conquering other lands...this is all known and no sin or crime...what is NOT true is that Islam condones or practices forced conversion or murder on the basis of religion....THAT has been the issue. THAT is the false claim you made against Islam, THAT is what Christianity has done(as we showed) and we have shown that you are wrong...and you have consistently failed to show you are right...THAT is the issue...not that Muhammad fought in Mecca or Medina...who the hell could blame a man for fighting to protect his family, tribe and people? Are you mad?

Don't you wish you "assyrians" had fought for YOUR families? Did you expect Muhammad to BEG the British for help? You are a beggar...and a whiner. Muhammad tolerated no such thing. You Christians were living in mud villages...quarreling and fighting among yourselves..an easy prey for the Romans or Greeks or Persians or anyone else who wanted to push you around...it was the Arabs who saved you, who taught you to be strong again and built a glorious islamic Empire where before you were scattered in dusty villages praying and waiting on a Jew god to save you for an afterlife...since you'd made a mess of this one.

Islam SAVED you...Muhammad SAVED you you ungrateful jackass.

Stick to the ISSUE for a change and stop hopping around like an ejaculating rabbit.



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