The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

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Silly Boy....
Posted by assyrian atheist (Guest) - Tuesday, September 22 2009, 20:04:02 (CEST)
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Ashur Beth-Shlimon wrote:
>[i]The Assyrianmuslim wrote:
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>"I know you don't have "time to waste" but why don't you finally give us your freaking "proof" about the 2 lies that your entire 7 guys nation continues to utter? I don't care about the trash u find on your coptic sites but bring me the evidence for (A)Muslims forced their religion on ppl and (B) they killed us just because of religion.[i/]
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>Ibn Khlad un is a Muslim thinker and Phelossepher that is respect by the entire Muslim nations and here in the English language I will quote which conferm my claim :

IT IS ( FOR THEM TO CHOOSE BETWEEN )coversion to Islam , payment of the poll tax , OR DEATH ."

...this is not what you said...you said they KILLED THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGION...they did not! They would kill them if they did not pay the jizya....no one was killed JUST because he was Christians....I never denied that Islam presented THREE choices.....you said there was only ONE outcome "death".


...I would remind you that Christians gave only TWO choice...convert or DIE...no tax could save you...I've givven many examples of this...Charlemagne was one another was Heraclius, who forced all Jews in his empire to convert or face death...and there are many, many more...such as the Muslims of Spain who also were presented with two choice..that is when they weren't just killed outright.

...there never would have been an argument if you had said Islam gave THREE choices...but you never did that till now...till you're SO damn embarrassed you decided to trick us...nice try. Go back and look at all your idiotic posts where you said Muslims killed people for their religion...once again you trip yourself up...they killed them for not paying Jiza OR converting...but NEVER just for their religion...that's something you Christians did only 70 years ago when no tax or conversion would save any Jew...many of whom had converted to Christianity long ago...six million of them were merely rounded and killed....THAT is killing people JUST for their religion...Islam never did that.
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>Ibn khladun , the Muqaddamah - An Introduction to History ( Translated by Franz Rosenthal Edited and abridged by N.J. DAWWOD - Bollingen Series / Princeton , page 188
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>And now in the Arabic language from the same writer Ibn Khaldun :
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>"إلى أن استقرت لهم ثلاث طوائف هي فرقهم ولا يلتفتون الى غيرها وهم الملكية / الاوم الآرثوذكس واليعقوبية و النسطورية ولم نر أن نسخم أوراق الكتاب بذكر مذاهب كفرهم فهي على الجملة معروفة وكلها كفر كما صرح به القرآن الكريم ولم بيق بيننا وبينهم في ذلك جدال ولا استدلال إنما هو ( الاسلام ) أو ( الجزية ) أو ( القتل ) ."
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>المصدر : مقدمة ابن خلدو - دار العودة ، بيروت - لبنان 1981 صفحة 185
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...you have not backed up your claims..instead you've backed up my statements and the Quran...no one ever said people weren't faced withg THREE choices..it was you, jackass, who said they had only ONE option...to be killed for refusing to convert.

We're still waiting.



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