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Southgate and ashur

Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Saturday, February 18 2012, 2:31:52 (UTC)
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When Horatio Southgate visited the Syrian Orthodox communities of Turkey in 1843 he reported that its followers were calling themselves Assyrians in the form of "Suryoye Othoroye". He writes:
" I began to make inquiries for the Syrians. The people informed me that there were about one hundred families of them in the town of Kharpout, and a village inhabited by them on the plain. I observed that the Armenians did not know them under the name which I used, SYRIANI; but called them ASSOURI, which struck me the more at the moment from its resemblance to our English name ASSYRIANS, from whom they claim their origin, being sons, as they say, of Assour, (Asshur,) who 'out of the land of Shinar went forth, and build Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah, and Resin between Nineveh and Calah; the same is a great city..(43)

....this was included in the post ashur dumped here. Southgate was a missionary...his specific purpose as stated by all of them was to revive the evangelical fervor of the old Nestorian Church and use the Nestorians to go convert the Muslims to Christ...a sure way of getting yourself killed, excuse me, "martyred". To say the least all missionary activity in that time and region was highly suspect and rightly so, as later events proved: the Nestorians were decimated by their adherence to various Euro Protestant sects...the only people to get "converted" were the Nestorians themselves who left their COE for Euro sects.

,,,missionaries were not to be trusted then and they're not to be trusted now...in fact no one who has the ridiculous "faith" that these people can do any real scholarly work because they already know what is Truth....they believe fairy tales, or what could easily be fairy tales, children's stories....they have an axe to grind already...they are not about to go looking without regard to what they might find, especially if what they find contradicts their faith.

It served missionary and Christian purposes to spread the idea that the Nestorians were something special, something apart from dirty Muslims, and naturally they were eager to hear and believe it, especially coming from the sacred White Man, whose churches were dripping with money.

Southgate's visit comes at the same time Layard was uncovering Nineveh and others were spreading the idea that the peasants living over the ruins were the same people who made those ruins, but ONLY the Christian ones!

Using the church, church documents and employees as reliable sources is absurd...these are people and institutions, after all, who believe they, and only they, will live on clouds in the sky when they die....please, no more churches.

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Southgate and ashur pancho - Saturday, February 18 2012, 2:31:52 (UTC)
- John of Wurzburg was full of it too.... pancho - 02/18 02:36
  - Re: John of Wurzburg was full of it too.... pancho - 02/18 02:37
    - Re: John of Wurzburg was full of it too.... Rashad - 02/18 04:50
      - Re: John of Wurzburg was full of it too.... pancho - 02/18 14:33

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