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=> Ticking Bomb Bullshit...

Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Tuesday, January 11 2011, 14:55:03 (UTC)
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...Rachel Maddow read off the number of mass killings by Americans in the last 25 years...a staggering number of innocent victims gunned down in domestic terrorism...matched only by the hundreds of thousands of victims of our international terrorism...any connection?

No Muslim crazy is described as a crazy, he is always doing what Muhammad told him to do...while whites are written off as being "angry at government"...Tim McVeigh was angry over Waco Texas and Ruby Ridge, he was just upset at the government´s use of violence against innocent civilians...but no Muslims can EVER be afforded the same rationale...no Muslim anywhere in the World has the right to be "upset at governments"...not even at the United States government for its addmittedly illegal wars and massacres of civilians...no, if a Muslim strikes back it can only be because his religion made him do it.

When asked, most Americans justify torture on the argument of the "ticking bomb"...the "what if there was a ticking bomb and the only way you could stop it was to torture"...that´s a badly constructed case....it´s a set-up forcing the unwary to condone torture...torture which is never used to disarm a ticking bomb but to FORCE false information from suspects, which can be used against Islam..let´s be real here..that´s what this is about.

I´m surprised Hitler didn´t use that argument to defend his torture of Jews, though in that case he just came out and said he wanted to exterminate them and no information they had about anything mattered...but we need an excuse.

My answer to the ticking bomb scenario would be to say that it was past time to ask why there were so many people willing to send us a ticking bomb...that if we didn´t address that issue immediately there would be no end to ticking bombs and no end to the depths we would sink to become even worse than the people we claim to be defending ourselves from....the real answer to the ticking bomb scare is that WE set the bomb a-ticking....but placed it in the hands of someone else and it was time to ask ourselves what WE were doing to make ticking bombs a reality.

There is no good reason to resort to torture...we all know we´ll learn nothing useful from information extracted through pain...but that´s not why we really torture...we don´t care if the information is false..let it all be false and all lies...doesn´t matter...what matters is that it be the RIGHT false information, the kind that can be used to achieve politcal goals...such as justifying the loss of Civil Liberties which, from Whiteys point of view, are directly responsible for the loss of his status and prestige and maybe even power, down the line.

That´s why we torture, to get the right FALSE information.

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Ticking Bomb Bullshit... pancho - Tuesday, January 11 2011, 14:55:03 (UTC)
- Re: Ticking Bomb Bullshit... Rashad - 01/11 21:50

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